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Tracking categories

Hi,

The tracking categories are automatically generated by the language info box. No need to add them manually. If we want them to cover a different range of articles, we should adjust the template. Easier to maintain that way. — kwami (talk) 18:22, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

ok, ill have to remember that Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 18:54, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Instructions/descriptions should be at the top of the category page itself. If not, or if it's insufficient, please let me know and we'll try to do better. These really were just intended to be tracking categories, an easy way to see which articles needed more work, and also a way of detecting vandals, so doing it manually kinda defeats their purpose. They're similar to the notices for a lack of date or reference for the number of speakers, unrecognized family name, etc. — kwami (talk) 03:04, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

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hi dear Abrahamic Faiths!

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--Koroğlu (talk) 12:11, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Your Welcome :) Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 16:29, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Siouan–Catawban languages

Hi, dear Abrahamic Faiths. As you have already noticed, I've edited some minor changes in your good template on Siouan–Catawban languages. In my view, if one would get it more precise and above all much more corresponding to the other Wikipedia articles about the same matter, a further fist column ought to be added to the template, stating the general division between Western Siouan (or Siouan proper) and Eastern Siouan (or Catawban) languages. I fear I'm not able to introduce such a first column myself and I was wondering whether you might feel like doing that, provided of course you agree with my opinion. BTW, it would also be probably worthwhile to turn the name of the template from 'Siouan–Catawban languages' to 'Siouan languages', so as the main article is titled, just maybe adding in brackets 'or Siouan-Catawban'. Cheers (and please excuse me for my poor English). --Jeanambr (talk) 13:49, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

 Done I broke it into east and west, and retitled the template. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 16:27, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Wonderful! Thanks a lot. Cheers. --Jeanambr (talk) 12:29, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

special thanks

hello
so thanks for your message that you wrote in luri lrc request for new language.
best wishes.Mogoeilor (talk) 17:32, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, especially those relating to languages of Ghana. Keep it up! →Enock4seth (talk) 08:36, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Your Welcome, and thank you the Barnstar, I've never gotten one before :D Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 15:38, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

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• You can delete them all if you want to, I only created them because I thought they might be useful in navigation, but if the community decides else-wise, then just delete them. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 16:15, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

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 Done fixed, sorry. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 00:56, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

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Language-population update project

Hi. The 18th edition of Ethnologue just came out, and if we divide up our language articles among us, it won't take long to update them. I would appreciate it if you could help out, even if it's just a few articles (5,000 articles is a lot for just me), but I won't be insulted if you delete this request.

A largely complete list of articles to be updated is at Category:Language articles citing Ethnologue 17. The priority articles are in Category:Language articles with old Ethnologue 17 speaker data. These are the 10% that have population figures at least 25 years old.

Probably 90% of the time, Ethnologue has not changed their figures between the 17th and 18th editions, so all we need to do is change "e17" to "e18" in the reference (ref) field of the language info box. That will change the citation for the artcle to the current edition. Please put the data in the proper fields, or the info box will flag it as needing editorial review. The other relevant fields are "speakers" (the number of native speakers in all countries), "date" (the date of the reference or census that Ethnologue uses, not the date of Ethnologue!), and sometimes "speakers2". Our convention has been to enter e.g. "1990 census" when a census is used, as other data can be much older than the publication date. Sometimes a citation elsewhere in the article depends on the e17 entry, in which case you will need to change "name=e17" to "name=e18" in the reference tag (assuming the 18th edition still supports the cited claim).

Remember, we want the *total* number of native speakers, which is often not the first figure given by Ethnologue. Sometimes the data is too incompatible to add together (e.g. a figure from the 1950s for one country, and a figure from 2006 for another), in which case it should be presented that way. That's one use for the "speakers2" field. If you're not sure, just ask, or skip that article.

Data should not be displayed with more than two, or at most three, significant figures. Sometimes it should be rounded off to just one significant figure, e.g. when some of the component data used by Ethnologue has been approximated with one figure (200,000, 3 million, etc.) and the other data has greater precision. For example, a figure of 200,000 for one country and 4,230 for another is really just 200,000 in total, as the 4,230 is within the margin of rounding off in the 200,000. If you want to retain the spurious precision of the number in Ethnologue, you might want to use the {{sigfig}} template. (First parameter in this template is for the data, second is for the number of figures to round it off to.)

Dates will often need to be a range of all the country data in the Ethnologue article. When entering the date range, I often ignore dates from countries that have only a few percent of the population, as often 10% or so of the population isn't even separately listed by Ethnologue and so is undated anyway.

If Ethnologue does not provide a date for the bulk of the population, just enter "no date" in the date field. But if the population figure is undated, and hasn't changed between the 17th & 18th editions of Ethnologue, please leave the ref field set to "e17", and maybe add a comment to keep it so that other editors don't change it. In cases like this, the edition of Ethnologue that the data first appeared in may be our only indication of how old it is. We still cite the 14th edition in a couple dozen articles, so our readers can see that the data is getting old.

The articles in the categories linked above are over 90% of the job. There are probably also articles that do not currently cite Ethnologue, but which we might want to update with the 18th edition. I'll need to generate another category to capture those, probably after most of the Ethnologue 17 citations are taken care of.

Jump in at the WP:LANG talk page if you have any comments or concerns. Thanks for any help you can give!

— kwami (talk) 02:47, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I'll definitely work on a changing a few of them over the next few days. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 18:22, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey, thanks for helping. (I'm still working on finishing up the Glottolog citations from last year! Only 38 to go ...)

One caution, about significant figures. With Achang language, the number had been rounded off to the nearest thousand, and you restored it to the nearest hundred. But if you look at the E18 data, you'll see it's a sum of 27,700 + 35,000. Since the latter is approximated to the nearest thousand, or maybe even the nearest 5,000, the precision of the Ethn. figure of 62,700 is spurious. (I used the sigfig template to make it display 63,000 while keeping the original Ethn. figure in the coding.) Similarly, with Ojibwe language, some of the constituent varieties are approximated to the nearest 10,000, so the total needs to be rounded off to that as well. (Plus, we include Algonquian in the article, but it's not included in Ethn, so that number needed to be added in too.) — kwami (talk) 01:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok, Ill be sure to remember to round in the future, and I'll also check to make sure all subsections are added up from now on. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 02:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry. I screwed up hundreds of articles before I figured out the wrinkles in Ethn. data. Actually, I just screwed up Macedonian yesterday: I updated to the Ethnologue figure, which was based on the 2011 census. But there hasn't been a census since 2001, so we can't believe Ethn. here.

A couple times, when you changed the figure, you forgot to change the ref to e18. As for Fur language, the figure you used is the ethnic population, not the number of speakers. They're very often not the same, depending on whether people are shifting to another language. (Think of Irish.) — kwami (talk) 02:15, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try to be more careful, and I will remember that part. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 02:17, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

For Gude language, the date said "ca. 1987" because there was no date the Cameroonian population. (The "ca" was an arbitrary choice I made when entering the e17 data, not a WP convention.) Anyway, now that there is a dated figure for Cameroon, the date should be updated along with the population (to 1987–1992, with the date prefix removed). Also, since the Cameroonian pop is to the nearest 10,000, the total should be as well. — kwami (talk) 23:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Oops, with {{sigfig}}, the data goes first, number of figures second. I get that backwards all the time too. — kwami (talk) 23:30, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to work on paying closer attention to the dates. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 15:02, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Wow, you're really cleaning things up! Thanks again for your help. — kwami (talk) 02:16, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Yep, I'm working on getting the priority ones out of the way, had some free time yesterday and decided to make use of it. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 15:02, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll clean up the few that remain, unless they're undated and belong there. — kwami (talk) 17:53, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

I'll be doing some more latter tonight if I have some more freetime for it, also the only reason I left some of the ones there was because they had a lot of subsections to add up and I just didn't want to mess them up. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 18:02, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

That's what I figured.

BTW, for Cocos Malay, the date of 2000 was for the ethnic population estimate.

For Mori Bawah and Mori Atas, the funny wording was because it was actually an estimate of 28k for the two of them. We don't actually know that each is half the pop. Ethnologue does this a lot. It one case, there were seven neighboring languages each listed as having 7,040 speakers. Turns out it was actually an estimate of 50,000 for all seven (perhaps considered dialects of a single language). Not just spurious 3-fig precision, but it's almost certainly not the case that each variety is spoken by an equal fraction of the pop. Things like this are one reason Ethn. is not a very reliable source.

For Mwanga language, the 1987 date is still being used for Tanzania. — kwami (talk) 18:08, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about those, I know I need to be more careful not to confuse the ethnic population, sometimes the wording on ethnologue can be a bit confusing, also I apologize about overlooking the other subcategory on Gullah, I don't know how I missed it. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 19:48, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey, no worries. I make mistakes like that all the time. It's easy to overlook things when you're doing so much. But that's why I'm reviewing all the cases where there's a change. Hopefully, between the two of us, nothing will slip by. I'm giving you feed back so you'll be aware of the kinds of mistakes that get made for when there is no one to review your work. — kwami (talk) 04:14, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay! Updated all but Kol and Dii, which I left for a reason. (Removed the coding for the category, so those two langs now just appear in the general e17-citing cat.) A few others should have never been e17, and I returned them to e16 or e15, and one to e14. — kwami (talk) 19:47, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

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	For updating the populations of hundreds of languages to the new edition of Ethologue. We can't keep WP up to date without editors like you. — kwami (talk) 04:10, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Kwami, I'll do my best to continue helping out whenever I can :) Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 17:56, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

For Plautdietsch, someone probably changed the number without changing the ref. Looks like they also changed the date, so that needs to be fixed too.

Zealandic & Yiddish should not be set to e18, because the population is undated, and the edition of Ethn. it first appeared in is the only clue we have as to how old it is. Zealandic actually needed to be reverted to the 15th ed. (There were some dates for Yiddish after all.)

For Pennsylvania German, the ref is not Ethn., so it doesn't match the new figure. — kwami (talk) 17:22, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry about these, I guess I didn't pay close enough attention to the ref on Pennsylvania German :( Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 17:53, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey, I'm just happy someone is helping with this at all! I did almost the entire e17 update myself. Took fuckin' forever. Wish it could be automated, but the Ethn. data is just too messy. From here on, though, Ethn. is going to be updated every year instead of every four years. That's not feasible for us. I think the only way we'll be able to manage is if we can get a list from SIL of the languages that have been updated. I asked, but got no reply. Perhaps we could make a formal WP request. (We'd still need to verify the unchanged languages, to weed out unref'd changes on WP, but that could go at a more leisurely pace.)

Don't worry about whether or not to update to e18. After this is done, hopefully, I'll review any remaining e17 links, in case they need to go back further, and any e18 links w undated figures. It's not that big a deal, and I don't know if anyone but me cares.

FYI, on Category talk:Language articles citing Ethnologue 17, I pulled out the 800 articles w > 100k speakers, and then the 200 of those w > 1M, under the assumption that languages with greater numbers of speakers probably have higher traffic. Breaks the list into more manageable chunks. — kwami (talk) 19:54, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay, that was a really good idea to sort out the higher population ones, I can definitely continue to help, but I will be more cautious, as I am finally realizing that this is alot more complicated than I first thought. I will no longer try to edit the ones that I don't feel sure about, this way I should make less mistakes, I'm also going to double check my edits now so if I do make another mistake I have a better chance of catching it. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 20:34, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Here[1] you commented that you didn't update because "e18 gives an older date and lower number". However, that's not the e17 figure! Someone changed it while leaving the ref, so it looks like their figure is supported when it's not. People do that all the time - yesterday alone I reverted this kind of data falsification in half a dozen articles. But, even if e18 had gone with a lower pop and older date, there would presumably be a good reason for it: Perhaps they discovered that the newer ref counted ethnicity rather than speakers, or included 'dialects' that e18 counts as distinct languages, etc. So it should probably be updated to e18 either way.

Same here.[2] There wasn't actually any change in Ethn. — kwami (talk) 17:59, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I'll keep that in mind, I was just being precautious, I didn't want to update it and it be wrong that's why I has hesitant to change it. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 18:20, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Oh, here[3] I wouldn't bother adding the year 2011, because the few thousand from that year get rounded off anyway. The 15M is from 2007. — kwami (talk) 18:18, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Here[4] it's nice to add the word 'census', since that's usually the only time we actually know the date of the data. (I know I sound picky. I really do appreciate all the help!)

BTW, when I find messed up data, like at Kabiye language and Gorontalo language (and just now, Central Atlas Tamazight and Lampung language - again, no actual change from e17), I put it on my watch list, because often there's an editor with an agenda who will keep coming back. Sometimes the page needs protection. The ones I found ~yesterday were Egyptian Arabic, Mauritian Creole, Puntland Arabic (merged entire article as unref'd/faked), Moroccan Arabic, Slovak language, Doteli language, and Kamwe language. The last is protected, and probably will need to remain so for months. — kwami (talk) 18:28, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Would you be willing to add those articles to your watch list? I have 18,900 on mine (though a large number are probably redirects from page moves), and I no longer have time to keep up with it. I couple years ago I would've caught the changed data when it happened, now that's rare. — kwami (talk) 18:41, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Yep, I can add them to my watchlist, I've been adding every page that I've edited so far, ill add those ones now. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 18:46, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! BTW, I just came across Digo language (wasn't checking it, just updating cuz I was updating an article you left that included it), and you didn't use the total pop. Turns out the e18 pop for Kenya (313k) was very close to the e17 pop total (305k), both being rounded to 310k. Just a heads-up; not like I don't make lots of mistakes like that too. — kwami (talk) 19:15, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about that one. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 19:18, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Here,[5] when the pop. changes, the dates usually change as well. — kwami (talk) 19:34, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

With Konkomba language, the Ghanaian fig from 2003 is 500k, so the total should probably only have one sig fig too. And since the Togo data from 2012 changes it to 600k, IMO 2012 should be included in the overall date. My decisions on date ranges are often somewhat arbitrary, but I think the date of any data that's large enough to change the first figure in the total should probably be included. — kwami (talk) 19:44, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

the dates are a tad bit confusing on some of them, I wish ethnologue listed them in a more clear-cut way. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 19:47, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I wish they'd separate out the total from the primary country. And that they'd keep estimate ranges from their sources. But oh well. — kwami (talk) 20:22, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Finished the 1M+ langs. If you like, I could sort out, say, >300k from the rest. — kwami (talk) 20:59, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Well, we've got 2,700 done, 3,800 to go. When we're finished with the 500 left in the >100k list, we'll be half-way there. Not bad at all, considering e18 just came out a couple weeks ago!

Since you don't seem to be editing right now, I'll split the list again. — kwami (talk) 21:05, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about that I had to leave the house to pick up some groceries, I tend to be an on and off editor, I'll sometimes spend a few days in a row offline and other times I'll be online a lot. I wish Wikipedia had an online/offline system the way some sites do. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 22:20, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

How dare you eat when you have work to do. I bet you waste 8 hrs a night "resting your eyes" too. Slouch.

BTW, forgetting to change the dates e.g. at Moba language. When the first date gets to be 25 years old, the template changes the display to say the number of speakers is unknown. (We can change that number; I picked 25 years as approximately a generation, which can make a huge difference.) — kwami (talk) 01:49, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Sometimes, as at Brunei Malay, there will be a speakers2 parameter that will need to be changed. — kwami (talk) 02:09, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

When the population changes but the dates are the same, it's almost always because someone changed the population without a reference. — kwami (talk) 02:19, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

We'd want only 1 sig fig at e.g. Yaka language (Congo–Angola), because the total is composed of 700,000 + 200,000 + misc. — kwami (talk) 21:36, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

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Dating Ethnologue stats

Hi. Thanks again for all the work. I've noticed, tho, that you haven't been updating the dates along with the populations. At Musey[6], for example, the date was "ca. 2006" because there was no date for the Cameroonian pop. But with the update for E18, there now is a date, so it should be "2005–2006". (Probably it should have been "undated–2006" until now rather than "ca.", but oh well.) Generally, any change in pop is going to include a change in date, though occasionally there are exceptions, such as Ethn. discovering a typo. — kwami (talk) 16:11, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't know why it keeps slipping my mind to check that part, I'm working on slowing myself down, I have a tendency to speed through things, and I know I need to slow down and pay closer attention, I'm going to go back through my edits before I make any new ones. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 16:42, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Well, we do have another 3,000 articles to get through, so that's understandable. It's a huge project, and you're carrying almost all the weight, since I can't spare the time to do more than 10% what you're doing.

I hope this isn't discouraging, but at Ntcham language, where you did change the date, it was only one of the countries that was updated, and thus only one of the dates that changed. Still 2004 for Ghana. — kwami (talk) 16:47, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

It's okay, I decided to take a break for a while to clear out my thoughts, now I am back and ready to help again, I am going to make sure not to rush through any more, I will not move onto the next language until all figures within each language are completed and verified. If I continue to do something wrong please let me know. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 22:51, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Just an oversight, but a rather dramatic one. Here[7] you forgot to specify the # of digits, turning the population from 100,000 to 4 (because 103,500 has 4 sig figs). It's easy to not notice that unless you look at the result. There are probably still a few floating around that I messed up and never caught. — kwami (talk) 04:47, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Hm. Just noticed that Glottolog's come out w a new edition too. No speaker data to worry about, but new language codes and a lot of adjustment to their classifications. I've been trying to ID the new codes, since they don't often use our names. (They're almost all outside ISO.) — kwami (talk) 02:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

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Your First of the Month Update to Template:Detailed List of Wikipedias, which I assume was semiautomated, undid some changes I made to the template which I think should be reinstated. I replaced the manual updating of the data using {{NUMBEROF}}, which provides this data for all Wikipedias, and is updated every hour by User:Acebot. This saves you the necessity of updating the data every month. Additionally, I deleted data for all the Wikipedias that have now been closed (see, for example meta:Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Marshallese Wikipedia). There is no reason to have data for these wikis. I assume you didn't undo these changes intentionally, but if you did, please justify. Thanks,  Liam987(talk) 21:09, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I manually overwrote it, I hadn't noticed that you had removed those, I am aware those wikis were closed, I've always felt that they should be removed from the chart, but I've just been copying the chart over from meta without making changes to it other than these three, I'll start working on updating it to use the numberof template as soon as I can, give me one week an I will have it updated. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 02:15, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

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Ethnlogue

Hey, only 465 pages to go if you feel like coming back. Meanwhile I'm tracing back undated figures thru Ethn. 11 and 12, so we have a better idea how old they are. — kwami (talk) 23:57, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I can help out again, I can't believe you got so much done, that was a big project. Also the only reason I stopped editing those was because I was starting to get overwhelmed by it because there were so many, but now I feel much better and can help again. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 00:13, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, it can seem endless. Meanwhile I have some old editions of Ethn. on order; I suspect many of the undated figures go back to the 1980s, and some were probably copied from the Voegelins in the 1970s. Yet they keep getting repeated in new editions as if they were reasonable estimates for today. — kwami (talk) 17:51, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Split the list into bit-sized pieces. Did the exactly-1000's. 180 to go! Got a paper due today, or I'd finish them up. — kwami (talk) 19:15, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I finished the ones that were separated out, I'm not sure if I should edit the remaining 84 or if they are not supposed to be updated. Let me know if I should update them or not. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 00:24, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

I counted 65 that should remain, or weren't in article space. I'll check them out. — kwami (talk) 18:11, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

BTW, the reason you're sometimes rounding off figures manually is that I complained to Ethnologue about spurious precision, and they started rounding them off to 3 sig figs. But since we're rounding off automatically with the sigfig template, it doesn't hurt to leave in the original figure. — kwami (talk) 18:29, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Ethnic groups of South Asia

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Ethnic template

I think you perhaps should stop adding {{Ethnic groups of South Asia}} pending some sort of discussion. You've sorta spammed it across perhaps 100 articles in quick-fire manner and I'm not at all convinced that it is correct. - Sitush (talk) 18:51, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

I was still working on straitening it out. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 18:52, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

I don't care. Stop, please. The entire premise seems possibly to be flawed and you are setting up a time-bomb, especially on Indian articles. In fact, it might even be an idea to self-revert. - Sitush (talk) 18:53, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

I'll undo my changes. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 18:54, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

All transclusions have now been removed, I'm really sorry that this caused so much trouble, you can delete the template. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 19:21, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello Abrahamic Faiths, you were doing good edits, why you are undoing all of it? You can improve the template, no need to delete it. Wikipedia is all about community consensus, if one user opposes you then it doesn't mean that you should undo all of your edits, you should explain properly why your edits should stay on Wikipedia. You were not doing any gross mistake or vandalism. There is always space for improvement. Cheers. Keep on good editing. --Human3015 Call me maybe!! • 20:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

You meant well and you really should not beat yourself up about it. I'm pretty sure it will be deleted but I'm not the best judge of how deletion discussions end up. If it is kept then ping me and I will help in reinstating the thing to the relevant articles. Again, don't feel bad about this: you were being bold and I can see what you were trying to do, even though I don't think it is workable. - Sitush (talk) 20:57, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

WP7

The template you created, {{WP7}}, creates an ambiguous link when en and English are the parameters (you can see this on List of Wikipedias - in the Language (local) column, English is the value). I didn't want to modify the template, as I'm still learning template coding. Could you take a look? -Niceguyedc ^{Go Huskies!} 09:02, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

YFixed. Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 15:02, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

ethnic groups of russia

you correctly added the template then reverted yourself. why? -M.Altenmann >t 02:31, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

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sir please edit in bhumihar brahmin page that they called as babhan in magadh region of Bihar and also called bhuinhar brahmin in eastern uttarpradesh.

pls also remove bhumihar community origin from rajput men and brahmin women. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adding founding (talk • contribs) 01:59, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, I have noticed your special interest in Gur and Dagbanli languages. Do you have any plans to improving any of them in a major way. I'm open to any ideas of collaboration. Regards. Masssly — Preceding unsigned comment added by Masssly (talk • contribs) 18:22, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Masssly, I currently dont have any plans to work on any of the articles in this area at the moment, right now I'm working on creating navboxes for various language families and subfamilies to link pages together and make it easier to navigate between pages within each specific topic area. — Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 19:16, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

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You've tagged a large number for renaming but haven't listed them at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy. Without this they won't get processed. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:02, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I thought it did it automatically, thank you for listing them for me. — Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 16:20, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you :) — Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 16:11, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

You welcome. They are pretty helpful. Tamsier (talk) 17:54, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Template:Demographics of Brazil

Hello! I think I got what you had in mind when you changed Template:Demographics of Brazil to redirect to Template:Brazil topics, but that doesn't seem like a good idea. Generally speaking, old template titles should always redirect to the most recent title for that template. The correct procedure in this case is to replace the template in the articles that you think should point to 'Brazil topics' instead. Best regards, —capmo (talk) 01:31, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I'll remember that in the future, sorry about that, the template had a lot of pages linking to it that didn't fit the scope of the template, that's the only reason I tried to redirect it to a generic template, but now I have removed all incoming links that did not match up so now only relevant links are left. — Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 01:40, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! —capmo (talk) 01:50, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Re: San Xavier

Hello, and thanks for contributing to the article List of Indian reservations in Arizona! I wanted to point out that San Xavier is not classified as an independent reservation, but rather a non-contiguous district of the Tohono O'odham Nation, and is generally not classified as a separate reservation in government or tribal publications. The same is true of the San Lucy district, which is near Gila Bend.

The article San Xavier Indian Reservation is sort of an oddity, because no official "San Xavier Indian Reservation" actually exists. The article mentions casinos run by the tribe, but since San Xavier is neither an independent tribe nor directly responsible for running the casinos, this is information that would be more appropriate in the Tohono O'odham Nation article.

Perhaps it would be better to include in the "Notes" column that San Xavier and San Lucy are two non-contiguous districts within the jurisdiction of the Tohono O'odham Nation?

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Didn't know that, I'll be sure to fix the article back to the way it was. — Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 20:31, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

No problem! I was actually quite confused while making the list, because not all references list the same number of reservations, so I leaned towards administrative divisions rather than physical divisions. At some point in the future, it may be worth listing administrative subdivisions of the reservations as well, since at least the Navajo and Tohono O'odham Nations are both divided into rather large districts/chapters. Thanks again for your help with the page!

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Category for the DR?

Greetings! Thanks for your work. I appreciate it very much, which is the main reason I chose to explain my concerns here with you.

Just today you inserted a new category in some articles about the Dominican Republic here. The title is: Ancestry and ethnicity in Dominican Republic. This is the second time someone has been trying to tag these articles with such a name. This looks the work of people working on similar categories in other countries. The first attempt at tagging the category still had the Honduras' flag. I see that you are applying this category to other countries in the Caribbean. I also noticed you changed the template and removed the link to the discussion about the merger, here.

I protest this category for two reasons. First, we were never consulted about it and the creation and use of a category should have reached a consensus among people working on those articles. Second, it is redundant. As the title of the discussion, which never took place implies, there are categories fulfilling this mission already. A major umbrella called People of the Dominican Republic to which the link in the category you posted leads to should be enough for all Dominicans. It is shorter and inclusive. I will revert your tags in the Dominican articles hoping you will offer your rationale, perhaps, in this forum. Thanks. --Caballero/Historiador (talk) 18:11, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello Caballero I apologize if the title I moved it to is not the most fitting one for the template. What I was attempting to do was make the templates more uniform with each other, many of the South and a few of the Central American templates had the prefix "Ancestry and Ethnicity in ..." before I even began working on them, for most of them it seemed to be a good title because not all of the listed groups are indigenous ethnic groups but more of ancestral roots and immigrants former nationalities. I'm aware that different regions use different standards, such as the middle east and North Africa use "Demographics of ...", I just did not know before that the Caribbean nations were working with different standards and I mistakenly lumped them in with the Central American nations. As for names "People of the Dominican Republic" sounds like a good title, I can update that, and any other changes that need to be made to other templates can be made to conform to whatever the community decides. — Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 23:52, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

• Abrahamic Faiths, you seemed not only willing to help, but also quick and smart. You got the point, and your change is adequate, in my opinion. I would suggest you do the same with Puerto Rico: to Puerto Ricans. Campagining for the views of editors working on major articles of each country should be the best practice.

• As you correctly pointed out, the differences in history are behind my suggestions. Indigenous groups in Central and South America have long defined themselves according to their history of preservation and resistance to colonialism and assimilation (i.e., República de Indios) (a similar case happens with countries with a significant population descendant of Indian from the sub-continent, Chinese and Japanese immigrants). It would be inconceivable to write about these countries without acknowledging the clearly defined ethnicities and ancestries. Though Spanish Caribbean islands are not internally uniform, the attempt to emphasize differences is tied to the plantation history, a time when distinct racialized ethnicities were necessary to sustain the inhuman system of slavery. If the Caribbean indigenous revival continues to grow, it would be a different case. But at this moment, emphasizing differences in the DR, PR and even Haiti is not only unnecessary, but it could also play into the hands of neo-fascists, neo-White Supremacists, and their variants (i.e., anti-Haitians), who have a stake in driving a wedge between people (I am not sure how editors of Cuban articles feel). Consider also that the term "ethnicity" is today furtively used as a monicker for race. Again, thanks. Caballero/Historiador (talk) 23:57, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I moved the Carribean templates, Template:Puerto Ricans was already in use so I moved it to Template:People of Puerto Rico, but the title that appears on screen says "Puerto Ricans", I did the same with the other templates, all of them can be renamed and moved again if the need arises, I am aware that they will all need to be renamed on an individual basis, but I will leave that to you and other community editors in the topic area to handle and decide what fits best for each one. If there is anything else that I should do to help or anything that I should be doing differently in regards to these projects, please let me know, I will be happy to try and help. — Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 02:40, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

This is excellent! I appreciate your work and spirit of collaboration. Cheers, Caballero/Historiador (talk) 11:22, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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Would you please tell which part of this version is not appropriate? If there's any, we can fix it; however, the former one had serious mistakes. It was not even an alternative. Actually, there are still minor mistakes. For instance, the groups that are listed next to the Avar–Andic, Didoic and Lezgic groups are not really different people. Some are just tribes of one other only although on Wikipedia they are treated as separate people because not many seem to know about them here. I do not know why I left it that way. There is another mistake regarding the word "Andis" as "Andi" itself is already plural so I am now going to fix the typo. I will check again if there are other issues with that template. Please tell me if you take notice of another mistake. Sincerely Listofpeople (talk) 05:15, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Speaking of that template, did you know that the map there has also some issues and is thus problematic? However, we still keep it because there is no alternative one available on Wikipedia. Listofpeople (talk) 05:19, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

I have just seen you had made some other edits on this subject. Regarding the one in this page (see also your previous edits), I do understand your goodwill and bear in mind that you may not be familiar with these peoples in real life; however, we should either remove the twelve tribal names from the template, or keep them all in the paranthesis. I suggest the latter (keeping them all) as there is a huge confusion all over the Wikipedia: Some tribes are treated as if they are a separate people, which is unacceptable. Please feel free to ask my any questions regarding my area of expertise, i.e. history, origin, language, culture, belief system, etc., of this particular ethnic group and some of their neighbours in the ancestral homeland. Sincerely Listofpeople (talk) 08:54, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, brother. Just wanted to let you know that your hard work in creating some of these navboxes across Wikipedia has not gone unmoticed. I can see that you've spent a lot of time in trying to make it easier for users to navigate across pertinent articles on a variety of different subject-matters, which is good. This kind of meticulous editing style is a great help and people like you are the backbone of the Wikipedia. So bless you for that. I can see that you are very skilled with template layout, for instance.

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Please bear in mind that this not criticism by any means, just polite, constructive suggestions. I hope this is something you will consider and take into account. Thanks again and have a nice day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.232.245 (talk) 13:41, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

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Eritrea ethnolinguistic temp

Greetings! As per the Eritrean government [8], I would like to parse the template's Afro-Asiatic ethnolinguistic groups into its Cushitic and Semitic constituent parts. However, I'm not sure what is the appropriate wikicoding to use here. Could you please help fix this? Kind Regards-- Soupforone (talk) 02:38, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

 Done — Abrahamic Faiths (talk) 03:52, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

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