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B-class Review of Polish Underground State

At Talk:Polish Underground State, could you explain in more detail why this article is not yet up to B-class for MILHIST? Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:32, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Why fail coverage and accuracy for Talk:Minor sabotage? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 02:08, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Cologne War comments

Abraham, I've incorporated your comments into the Cologne War, still on A-review at Mil History. Would you take another look? Auntieruth55 (talk) 17:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Roberts Dunstan

On November 2, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Roberts Dunstan, which you recently nominated. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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DYK for Charles Crombie

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Daniel Case (talk) 13:56, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: World War I contest awards

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Be happy to - it's a nice change from copyediting, actually :) EyeSerene^talk 10:15, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Abraham for your help and useful notices. It would be great if the contest would start on 11 November as scheduled, though I believe I'll be forced to postpone it if the invitation is not sent to project members till sunday. --Eurocopter (talk) 11:55, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Military history project

Hey! I'm interested in the military history project and I saw that you were one of the coordinators. How do I join? What specific areas do you need people to work in? Cheers! --Reubzz (talk) 20:25, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for directing me to the sign-in page. This looks like an interesting project and I will soon join some task groups to get started. I appreciate the nice welcome. :) --Reubzz (talk) 01:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Test your World War I knowledge with the Henry Allingham International Contest!

As a member of the Military history WikiProject or World War I task force, you may be interested in competing in the Henry Allingham International Contest! The contest aims to improve article quality and member participation within the World War I task force. It will also be a step in preparing for Operation Great War Centennial, the project's commemorative effort for the World War I centenary.

If you would like to participate, please sign up by 11 November 2009, 00:00, when the first round is scheduled to begin! You can sign up here, read up on the rules here, and discuss the contest here!
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The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLIV (October 2009)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XLIV (October 2009)
From the coordinators There's a long running discussion about consolidating various task forces ("TF"). Those affected are: consolidate Taiwanese TF into Chinese TF; merge Australian TF and New Zealand TF to form either Oceania or Australasia TF; consolidate Lebanese TF into Middle Eastern TF; merge Military science with Military technology and engineering to form a Military science and technology TF; and merge Indian TF with the Pakistani TF to form a South Asian TF, which would also include Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Please comment here to help us reach consensus. A discussion about a possible military biography notability guideline could also use input. Views from all editors here are welcome!	Articles of note New featured articles: 1982 British Army Gazelle friendly fire incident Amagi class battlecruiser Battle of the Alamo Brazilian cruiser Bahia Ellis Wackett Inner German border New featured lists: List of Knight's Cross recipients of the Waffen-SS Order of battle in the Atlantic campaign of 1806 New featured portals: United States Air Force New featured pictures: A synagogue in New York City remained on D-Day Battle of Kennesaw Mountain Journée du Poilu. 25 et 26 décembre 1915 Siege of Sevastopol, 1855 The burning of Columbia, South Carolina, February 17, 1865 New A-Class articles: AH-56 Cheyenne John Lloyd Waddy Lewis McGee M22 Locust Operation Coburg Operation Teardrop SMS Nassau Tosa class battleship USS Congress (1799) USS President (1800) Winter War
Project news The Henry Allingham World War I International Contest is starting on 11 November! If you would like to participate, sign up here, read up on the rules here, and discuss the contest here!
Contest department The contest department has completed its thirty-first month of competition; its second month under the new and improved scoring system. A total of 53 articles were entered by nine editors. Sturmvogel 66 came in first with 96 points, followed by Auntieruth55 on 80 points. They are presented the Chevrons and Writer's Barnstar respectively. Honorable mentions go to Ian Rose (38), Abraham, B.S. (33) and Parsecboy (10). Our thanks go to Cuprum17, Ed!, The ed17 and Piotrus, who also fielded entries. All editors are encouraged to submit any articles that are working on for next month's contest.
Awards and honours The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has been awarded to Abraham, B.S. for his work on Otto Becher, Teddy Sheean and Lewis McGee. The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has also been awarded to Parsecboy for his work on SMS Lützow, SMS Kurfürst Friedrich Wilhelm and Tosa class battleship. The A-Class medal has been awarded to Brad101 for his work on USS Constitution, USS Congress (1799) and USS President (1800). The A-Class medal has also been awarded to Ian Rose for his work on John Lerew, Ellis Wackett and John Lloyd Waddy. The A-Class medal has also been awarded to Nick-D for his work on Take Ichi convoy, Convoy GP55 and Operation Teardrop. The A-Class medal has also been awarded to The_ed17 for his work on North Carolina class battleship, Brazilian cruiser Bahia and Tosa class battleship.
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Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Four Award

As a past WP:FOUR awardee you may wish to comment at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Four Award.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

WWI contest

I've put some designs on the contest talkpage (at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/World_War_I_task_force/Contest#Designs). EyeSerene^talk 12:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help and kind words! In an attempt to have some more competitors at the start of the contest I will postpone the start by 20 hours (till 20:00, 11 Nov.). Cheers --Eurocopter (talk) 13:51, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again for your help! Just a question: what do you consider a "substantial review"? --Eurocopter (talk) 15:02, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Abraham, B.S.. You have new messages at Auntieruth55's talk page.
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Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of World War I aces credited with more than 20 victories/archive1

Hi there; can you check to see if your concerns were resolved at the above FLC? Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 01:08, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you ...

... for this edit. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:06, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's better than edit warring. ;-) I've reverted the level heading, as I think it can be a little confusing having it in the table of contents when a section heading per se does not appear, but it also detracts from the article and section as a whole, I think. Abraham, B.S. (talk) 14:08, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Re ce request

Be happy to. I nearly missed your post in the ANI annex that my talkpage becomes sometimes :) EyeSerene^talk 10:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Henry Wells (Australian Army officer)

Hello there. I just thought I'd drop you a quick line to let you know that I've moved the above article from Henry Wells (general). I've been on a bit of a spree, trying to standardise disambiguators for military officers (I know, I know - very OCD). No real issue there - most are in the "<insert service> officer" form anyway - but when I noticed that I was mucking about with an FA I thought the least I could to was to let you know.

Best wishes, Xdamr^talk 23:47, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

I noticed you moved Wells (but only Wells) back while I was still searching for the discussion item. Note that he has done this for every page qualified with (general) Hawkeye7 (talk) 04:28, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I only moved Wells back as I did not notice any other such page was moved, let alone all of them. I must say, I did not notice or hear about a discussion on this and do not particularly agree with it. I'm going to look further into this, however. Thanks for the notice, Hawkeye. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 04:53, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

If it makes a useful difference: I think the wholesale change should be discussed, and am happy (itching?) to be involved in the discussion. Please "keep me in the loop". Thanks in advance. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:57, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

(If it doesn't. Well. Just ignore this post ... Pdfpdf (talk) 10:57, 25 November 2009 (UTC))

Lieutenant General (Australia)

FYI: Regarding this edit - The title to the table says "The following Australians have held the rank of Lieutenant General". If you are going to add Squires, then you also need to add Hutton, and change the title of the table. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:22, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I've tweaked it to Australian Army lieutenant generals, as this is what the list should really be. Under the previous heading, an Australian-born person who achieved the rank of lieutenant general in another nation's army, such as the British Army, could have been included in the list, but that is not what the article is based on. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 02:01, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

After a little investigation, I'm not sure Hutton was promoted to lieutenant general in the Australian Army. Going off his Australian Dictionary of Biography entry, it states that he returned to the United Kingdom, was given command of the 3rd British Division and then promoted to lieutenant general on the eve of his retirement in November 1907. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 02:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

FYI. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:45, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

November Contest

I think there's a problem with the MILHIST contest page as most of the entries for November have disappeared. You made the last change, so I thought that I'd let you know about it rather than revert it myself.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Comment

(Move log); 12:23 . . Abraham, B.S. (Talk | contribs) moved Alfred John Shout to Alfred Shout over redirect (per naming convention, as middle name is not necessary for disambiguation)
Good! Pdfpdf (talk) 10:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Medals

Hey! I'd like to add a medals section to other articles, using a similar format/layout/whatever to the one that you did for Maxwell. Are you OK with that? Pdfpdf (talk) 12:44, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Not particularly. I think it devalues an article, especially a higher rated article that has had an immense amount of effort put into it, and there are still some underlining MOS:Image issues. However, I do not see how I can stop it ... Abraham, B.S. (talk) 13:27, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, that's an honest and informative reply! Thanks. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:31, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

P.S. I'll have a lower profile over the next month, so good luck with the Yr12 results and the University entrance ordeal, and have a Merry Xmas & Happy New Year. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:40, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the first bit, and you too for the second. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 01:01, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Re copyedit

I'm up to my neck at the moment (IRL), but around Thursday this week it should start to ease off for a few days so, yep, by the 10th or very soon after you should see some action :) Don't hesitate to nag if it looks like I'm not on the case - you're neither pushy or a pain, and helping you out is a pleasure. All the best, EyeSerene^talk 14:45, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

OK my friend, I think I'm done :) There are a couple of questions on the article talk page, but nothing major. EyeSerene^talk 18:34, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much :) I noticed you'd changed a few things back - no problems with that, but you've reintroduced a couple of grammatical errors:

• "The ground in front of their position was dominated by a series of German pillboxes, which was further exacerbated by pouring rain that had converted the battlefield into a quagmire." If you read this sentence without the descriptive stuff, we've got "The ground [...] was exacerbated by pouring rain" This doesn't really make sense.
• "Lobbed" might get objected to for being slang
• "Following his discharge, Peeler..." I always think this sounds unpleasantly personal :)

All the best with the FAC! EyeSerene^talk 09:07, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, had a class to teach... I hadn't quite finished; some more:

• "...understating his age by fourteen years <to avoid the upper age limit imposed on volunteers>." This is important so the reader isn't left wondering why Peeler did this - I think we either don't mention it at all, or mention and explain (per WP:LEAD "don't tease the reader").
• "Peeler and his fellow soldiers comprising the ranks of Blackforce thus became prisoners of war." Repetition: we're told in the previous sentence that Blackforce surrendered, and we already know Peeler was in Blackforce.
• "2/2nd Pioneer Battalion served throughout the entirety of the campaign" This seems unnecessarily wordy to me; if the battalion served throughout the campaign, that implies it was there for the entirety of it.

Hope this helps, and of course it's your call :) FWIW I agree with "lobbed" for grenades - in that context it's a kind of specialist term - but I've been involved in some unusually tough FA reviews recently with, for example, one reviewer objecting to "knocked out" for tanks. To be honest I'm a little hacked off with the whole FAC process, but don't let me put you off! All the best, EyeSerene^talk 11:28, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Very true. The FAC I'm thinking of (this article's second) involved one editor saying the lead was too long and another criticising the lack of explanation, one saying the images were too small while another reverted the images when they were resized to be bigger, one criticising the lack of detailed casualty info while another objected when we wrote up a section to expand on the infobox, some liking the prose and others insisting on further copyediting... we couldn't win :P EyeSerene^talk 11:54, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

...and no, the class was fine (motors and generators with second-year electrical apprentices). It was timetabled, I just forgot about it! EyeSerene^talk 11:58, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Heh, me too :) Still, the comments were all intended as constructive criticism, and the article failed the first time for lack of reviewer response, so at least we know where to look before nominating it again... Incidentally, if you get the time to look over Battle of Villers-Bocage, your thoughts would be very welcome :) EyeSerene^talk 12:16, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Baker (aviator)

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Materialscientist (talk) 03:28, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLV (November 2009)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XLV (November 2009)
Project news The Academy Content Drive concluded on 31 October. The first place Golden Wiki went to TomStar81 for 13 entries; the Silver Wiki was awarded to YellowMonkey for 11 entries, and Patar knight was presented with the Bronze Wiki for 3 entries. All other entrants were awarded the WikiChevrons or a barnstar for their contributions. Thank you to everyone who fielded an entry! All editors are encouraged to check out the newly expanded Academy. A discussion about the notability of military people has resulted in an update to our in-house style guide. Prompted by some recent "articles for deletion" discussions, members felt that we should provide clearer guidance on the types of person that are most likely to meet Wikipedia's biographical notability criteria. The resulting advice, which you can see here, should be very helpful in both future deletion discussions and in deciding where best to focus article-writing efforts. Our Task Force housekeeping discussion is now coming to a close. In October a number of proposals were made for rationalising our extensive list of Task forces. Although a few areas remain to be decided, project members have approved the changes summarised here. These will be enacted shortly, so if you haven't yet had your say, now's the time!	Articles of note New featured articles: Cologne War Nikita Khrushchev Operation Teardrop SMS Derfflinger SMS Lützow John Lloyd Waddy Ton That Dinh New featured pictures: Turkish heliograph at Huj New A-Class articles: Arrow (missile) Battle of Bardia Canadian National Vimy Memorial Collins class submarine Frederick Scherger Iven Giffard Mackay List of Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords or Diamonds recipients of the Waffen-SS USS Chesapeake (1799) Walter Peeler
Contest Department The contest department has completed its thirty-second month of competition; its third month under the new scoring system. A total of 52 articles were entered by seven editors. Sturmvogel 66 came first with 168 points, followed by Ian Rose on 51 points. They are presented the Chevrons and Writer's Barnstar respectively. Honorable mentions go to Auntieruth55 (31), Ed! (26), Abraham, B.S. (26), The ed17 (17) and Piotrus (7). All editors are encouraged to submit any articles that are working on for next month's contest.
Awards and honours The A-Class medal with Oak Leaves has been awarded to Hawkeye7 for his work on Albert Kesselring, Rupert Downes and Battle of Bardia.
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Victoria Cross FLC

Hello! You commented at the peer review for List of Brigade of Gurkhas recipients of the Victoria Cross. This list is currently a featured list candidate, with the page located at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Brigade of Gurkhas recipients of the Victoria Cross/archive1. Your comments at the peer review were appreciated, and any further comments you have on the FLC would also be appreciated. Thanks in advance if you have the time to drop by! Dana boomer (talk) 00:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Should be able to have a look in the next day or two. :) Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 11:15, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations!

You are one of the twelve editors advancing into the second round of the Henry Allingham World War I Contest. The second round started at 00:00, 29 December and ends 23:59, 31 January. The top six ranked players at the end of this stage will advance into the final round of the contest so keep up the good work! --Eurocopter (talk) 00:41, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! And congratulations to you also! :) Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 00:51, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I suggest another look

Our spirited discussion about Roderic Dallas led me to look more deeply into this hero; I want to thank you for that, as I find him a fascinating subject and a much under-rated/unnoticed aerial combat leader. If I were a World War I ace in a previous incarnation in anyone's air force, I believe I would rather be flying Dallas's wing than the Red Baron's. My chances of survival would have been better, and I probably would have enjoyed my ground duties more in a Dallas squadron.

I hope you will take a look at the present day article; I believe you will like what you see. I continue to seek more material via interlibrary loan to round it out a bit more.

Georgejdorner (talk) 04:41, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. :) Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 06:08, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

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