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In the Talk:Polo section, I created a section called the first played polo , first defend what you are doing, then edit Mitrayasna (talk) 02:51, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I believe I did so, several times, both here and here. You do not wish to discuss apparently. 175.39.67.82 (talk) 03:02, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I have opened a section in talk polo and I have given my reasons and I am waiting to hear your opinion, I may be wrong. So first you have to tell me your reasons Mitrayasna (talk) 03:06, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mitrayasna, I gave my opinion by opening discussion before I made the change. I even addressed your reasoning and why I thought my way was better. (Just my opinion). You are clearly not willing to see that opinion, judging by your actions. Calling someone's work vandalism is against WP:CIVIL policy. it is a clear failure to WP:AGF. In no way was my work vandalism (even if is is not correct). You chose not to engage with the courteous discussion I started.

I do not know if it is a lack of understanding or lack of willingness to to be consultative, but either way you have demonstrated that you are an editor unlikely to engage in genuine discussion to reach consensus, which is all I am wanting to do on WP. The fact that you said "it is not personal" in stating I was engaging in vandalism and that you "opened a discsussion" and were "waiting for" me when I had already previously opened the discussion, amply shows this. I do not know or, at this point, care, if you are being deliberately obtuse or deceptive. 175.39.67.82 (talk) 03:22, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I started a thread and you started an edit war before we even talked. Now I apologize to you, I feel that because you know what you are saying is not logical, you don't like to argue, you said that Britannica is one of the most reliable sources on Wikipedia and I felt that you just want to satisfy your nationalistic sense with this edit . I may have misjudged you Mitrayasna (talk) 03:29, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

@Mitrayasna: That is not true. I did speak to you before I made the change. (And I also did not realise - and perhaps this was stupid on my part - that it would be such a controversial or contentious change! Oh well, you live and learn.)

I have no axe to grind in any ethno-nationalistic BS (which is almost the entire source of 3/4 of the ills of the world. For better or worse, my people - as far back as I can tell, at least - do not hail from that part of the world, anyway. If they did though, I hope-to-god I would not have such damaging attitudes!)

My only concern was to present a well-rounded historic overview.

Encyclopaedia Britannica (EB), is an ok source - but only for certain things. It's really handy for some basic information. I would not want to hang my hat on a really big, important topic from it though. Especially so when there are excellent, learned, SECONDARY sources available as with polo. EB is a tertiary source, though (like WP itself). Secondary sources are usually preferred over tertiary.

And in this case the secondary sources all agree: Polo was extensively played throughout Persian empire and it was they, through Mughal expansion, who took it into India, and the world. So there's not any need to dispute the EB as a source, as I do NOT think it's wrong. It just has a lack of detail and nuance on this point.

Look, others may take your view too, but to my mind, putting such a vast canvas of "6th C BCE - 1st C CE in Persia" as the "first game played" is not particularly informative or helpful; and not, I think, what was intended for the "first" parameter. I clearly gave credit to the large development done by Persians, following on from your ES comments, and added more about this in the body text also, which you also reverted.

If you want a record of these comments on the article talk page, you have my permission to copy this reply there, if that's helpful, but I do not feel up to stepping into that forum for now. Bye 175.39.67.82 (talk) 03:56, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

P.S I have known two people named Mitra in my life, both lovely: A wonderful lecturer in statistics, who taught so well and was also very kind, and a dear colleague in my work. This made me notice your name / signature with a smile. 175.39.67.82 (talk) 03:56, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

love you, you are very sensitive, but I don't see your logic. The origin of the polo game is in the text. The table in Wikipedia should be as concise as possible, why should we copy part of the text of the article in the table? Mitrayasna (talk) 04:29, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

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