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Discussion
editPlease see the discussion page relating to Greek Cypriots. Thank you, Olympian (talk) 18:54, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello there,
It would be great if you could change the map on the infobox showing the location of Greece, with the map that is located in the Greek Wikipedia article of Greece. This map is much better than the one in the English Wikipedia as it shows all Islands with detail. I would do it myself, but I ask it from you because I cannot yet edit the article. Thanks! 77.83.205.171 (talk) 11:11, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
- Εντάξει, αλλά μου φαίνεται ότι όλοι οι χάρτες χωρών-μελών της ΕΕ ανήκουν στην ίδια κατηγορία (EU-*.svg) του User:NuclearVacuum. Επειδή γνωρίζω πόσο κτητικοί είναι κάποιοι, είναι πολύ πιθανό να αναστραφεί η αποκατάσταση του παλιού χάρτη. Το καλύτερο που μπορείς να κάνεις είναι να του ζητήσεις να βελτιώσει τον καινούργιο. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 11:53, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
January 2010
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Cyprus articles
editHi
I don't know if you realise that there are, and have been, discussions ongoing about the "ethnic" and "Cypriot" topics :¬)
Mainly Talk:Cyprus and all pages containing demgraphics
WOuld you care to join in ? I can see there is a possibility of things getting out of hand if undos and reverts continue from all parties involved
Thanks...Chaosdruid (talk) 17:44, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
- [1] Πες τα ρε Θεόδωρε, θα τρελλαθούμε στο τέλος! I agree with every word of yours. --Factuarius (talk) 13:27, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- Τώρα το είδα [2]. Eχεις δίκιο, αυτό σκέφτηκα κι εγώ αμέσως μετά, γι αυτό επανήλθα όπως είδες στα εντιτς μου. Απλώς βγήκα από τα ρούχα με ότι διάβασα, αλλά ήταν στιγμιαίο ολίσθημα. Unfortunately I don't have much respect to people starting their contribution in WP with a vandalism[3] Τέλος δέξου τα συγχαρητήρια μου για τις ατομικές σου βόμβες στη συζήτηση. --Factuarius (talk) 14:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- Ευχαριστώ. Η πλάκα είναι ότι φάσκει και αντιφάσκει. Μήπως είναι λίγο μπερδεμένο το παιδί; ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 15:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- Τώρα το θυμήθηκα, βασικά μετάνιωσα για το μήνυμά μου όταν βλέποντας τα παλιότερα εντιτς του συνειδητοποίησα ότι μάλλον είναι όντως παιδί. Το ότι δεν μου απάντησε ποτέ με έκανε να υποπτευθώ ότι δεν είναι καν Έλληνας. Τι να γίνει, η μητέρα της σοφίας είναι η υπομονή.. Και η συγχώρηση το κουδούνι στη πόρτα του παραδείσου.. Αλλά πάλι, ποιός είναι τόσο καλός Θεόδωρε; Ηρακλής(αληθινό) --Factuarius (talk) 19:10, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- Ευχαριστώ. Η πλάκα είναι ότι φάσκει και αντιφάσκει. Μήπως είναι λίγο μπερδεμένο το παιδί; ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 15:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- Τώρα το είδα [2]. Eχεις δίκιο, αυτό σκέφτηκα κι εγώ αμέσως μετά, γι αυτό επανήλθα όπως είδες στα εντιτς μου. Απλώς βγήκα από τα ρούχα με ότι διάβασα, αλλά ήταν στιγμιαίο ολίσθημα. Unfortunately I don't have much respect to people starting their contribution in WP with a vandalism[3] Τέλος δέξου τα συγχαρητήρια μου για τις ατομικές σου βόμβες στη συζήτηση. --Factuarius (talk) 14:56, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Greek Barnstar of Virtue
editThe Greek Barnstar of Virtue | ||
For improving both quality and quantity in several wpgr articles. Keep up the briliant work.Alexikoua (talk) 13:48, 6 March 2010 (UTC) | ||
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Revert
editSorry, was not intended to revert you, but the IP edit (at Stepanakert). Best. -- Ashot (talk) 10:31, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
massive vandalists of Greece
editanti-Greek vandalists Future Perfect at Sunrise Dbachmann cplakidas strong vandalism on gReek languege and hellenic . Εσυ δε βλέπεις τι γινεται εχουν αφαιρεσει ολες τις πηγες με το ετσι θελω στις γλωσσες και τη μουσικη της ελλαδας γυφτικη με το ζορι... κανε κατι κ συ thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OMEGAS1 (talk • contribs) 21:33, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Meliti
editIf you believe that he is not the mayor at least present some information showing this. Do not simply revert on the belief that you are right. From what I am aware he is the elected representative of the village. What would you have to say in response to this? Lunch for Two (talk) 13:30, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
- I would say that you need a more reliable source, preferably in English. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 13:32, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
- Firstly there is nothing wrong with the sources in Macedonian. And secondly, will a Greek source suffice? (I have a feeling that it will). Lunch for Two (talk) 13:34, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
- Here is a source, In Greek, [4] where he is noted as the elected head of the village. Lunch for Two (talk) 13:41, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
- He could be cited as in interesting phenomenon of a local politician inciting ethnic hatred by calling all Slavophones "ethnic Macedonians", Arvanites "Albanians" and Pontic Greeks "Turks", but he still isn't the "mayor". ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 13:48, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
- What is he then if not the mayor? Village president? Furthermore, the "Slavophones" as you call them are all ethnic Macedonians, and the journalist made a mistake about the Turkish part. Instead of writing descendants of refugees from Turkey the interviewer wrote "Turks", I think Mr Anastiasidis issued a press release clarifying the matter. Lunch for Two (talk) 13:53, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
- Who says they are all "ethnic Macedonians"? Greece's Slavophones identify as Greeks in their majority. As for the "Albanians and Turks" slur, I doubt it was accidental. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 14:16, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
- There are some people who live in Greece who practise the same customs as ethnic Macedonians and who speak the Macedonian language as their mother tongue who identify as ethnic Greeks, and some who identify as ethnic Macedonians. In places such as Meliti, the majority identify as ethnic Macedonians (as is shown by the history of the village). In other villages where the same people live you will find 100% identifying as ethnic Greeks. Just because overall there may be more Macedonian speakers identifying as ethnic Greeks, doesnt mean that in some areas those with an ethnic Macedonian identity prevail numerically. Btw, The Albanians reference was in regards to recent immigrants from Albania and not Arvanites. Lunch for Two (talk) 14:35, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
- You will also notice that on the same table it outlines the population groups that comprise the village. If is has M/S it means that the village is entirely inhabited by Macedonian language speakers. There is no evidence that in many of the villages there is anything other than a local Macedonian speaking population. Nonetheless this has to go to WP:ANI, it has gone too far out of hand. Lunch for Two (talk) 14:14, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Nicosia
editHi ΘΕΟΔΩΡΕ. I noticed you have been making some good contributions in Talk:Cyprus so I thought you might also be interested to get involved in Nicosia. That article is in a poor state and is a really bad representation of the true image of the city. There has been an ongoing edit-war specifically with regards to the representation of the self-proclaimed Turkish Municipality of Nicosia in the infobox. In the talk page, we've already agreed that this entity is not recognised by anyone apart from TRNC and Turkey and its a widely accepted fact that it doesn't claim jurisdiction over the whole of Nicosia (just the north). Yet some editors insist including it in the infobox. Because in the last couple of months, almost every addition is disputed and an edit war erupts, I've suggested that we split the article to Nicosia, Republic of Cyprus and Northern Nicosia, TRNC so we can improve both. I'd be interested to see if you had any thoughts on this. Thank you. Masri145 (talk) 14:28, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
quick interesting read
editI understand that purely because Macedonian's see their nation and refer to their nation as 'Macedonia' wiki has to follow suit on how it names the article. I am fine with that. My question is this. Alexander the Great, his father Philip II and many of their forefathers referred to themselves as Greek, in letters/speeches and commonly and openly claimed Greek descent from the Argead dynastic house of Argos. They often went out of their way to state their Greek ancestry due to aggressive enemies within the Greek world who sought to devalue their Greek credentials for political reasons.
Is it then fair to mention that they were 'Greek' kings on the introduction pages of their respective articles as that is what they self identified as. This 'Greek' label was unceremoniously removed years ago by the famous army of editors that redefined these pages for ever. As far as logic goes, would it be acceptable to mention these kings were as Greek as they at least referred to themselves. As it stands, the reader has no indication these kings were Greek unless he scans the 1800 line article and notices under culture that these kings shared the same religion/language etc as 'Greeks.' I would be really interested to hear your opinion on the matter.
I am also really interested in a map in the Saloniki article I believe to be quite cleverly POV. I have opened a section on it in the talk page.
Finally, I would like to talk with you about 1 last topic:
I read through the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia). Is it true that all three of the neutral referees (2 of which are now retired from wiki altogether?) were citizens of the United States? I know this may sound a little obvious, but America recognized FYROM as Macedonia the same month Macedonia committed to sending a few troops to Iraq (which Greece failed to do). This decision changed the landscape of the dispute and soon after the UK agreed to recognise FYROM as Macedonia in attempt to reflect US policy, not for the first time. lol. The US then actively encouraged other nations to do the same including Mexico, who later rejected the name Macedonia after initially being coerced into recognising FYROM as Macedonia by the US. I do not blame the US/UK for encouraging other nations to reflect their policy. Indeed I believe it to be natural. However big chunks of the English speaking world, Australia and South Africa for example refused to join the bandwagon. My point is, on such a delicate subject, like any disagreement, should not the referee's be starting off from a neutral position or at least a neutral country in the debate? Just a thought.Reaper7 (talk) 23:50, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
please recuse yourself from the Turkey article
editif you are a Greek national, please recuse yourself from the Turkey article. non-greek, non-turk editors should handle the NPOV conflict. -WikiSkeptic (talk) 03:09, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
- You mean I should refrain from reverting unsourced speculation like this, simply because I might be Greek? I don't think that's how Wikipedia works, I'm afraid. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 10:40, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
Courtesy notice
editHi ΘΕΟΔΩΡΕ. I just wanted to tell you that I mentioned you in my latest report at ANI concerning WikiSkeptic (talk · contribs). No further action is needed on your part. Just wanted to let you know out of courtesy. Best regards. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 21:37, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 05:04, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
- You are very welcome. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 14:58, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
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editI see what you're trying to do with the Michaloliakos quote, but haven't you got any third party sources that? They way you've done it, we've got a primary source at odds with a secondary, anyone wanting to edit war is just going to call WP:PRIMARY. Is there any chance at all you can find an alternate source for the quote? Dolescum (talk) 01:58, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Duly noted. I have replaced it with a link to a newspaper interview in which he repeats the call. The problem with the Turkish sources is that they have replaced the Greek names he used with their Turkish variants, so their translation is already somewhat misleading. Greeks almost invariably use the original Greek names of the cities in question, regardless of their political persuasion, so the suggestion that the leader of Greece's most extreme nationalist party would use the Turkish names is frankly absurd. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 11:17, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, much appreciated. Dolescum (talk) 16:28, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
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Ano teleia
editHello. For the record that was an unnecessary revert [5]. I am pretty sure that I inserted the correct glyph: U+0387. The same one you later re-inserted; you could check it by the edit summary[6] and by searching with Crtl + F my version. --Omnipaedista (talk) 05:05, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
- You're quite right; I wasn't aware that Greek U+0387 is converted automatically to Latin U+00B7. I seem to have fixed the problem by using the Unicode template and the appropriate HTML code point. ·ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ· 05:34, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
LAOS
editWhat about LAOS? Now they have independent PM Alexopoulos as candidate.
I think the template is faulty anyway. We mix groups with parties. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:28, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
- I know. It has become almost impossible to keep up with all the shifting allegiances. •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 18:37, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
- I agree. I think we should remove Parliamentary groups and stick to parties. This will resolve the problem with duplicated entries too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:56, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
- Or we could keep things even simpler and stick to the groups, per the Hellenic Parliament article. •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 19:03, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
The thing is that this template is about political parties. We could create a separate one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:09, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Talking about shifting allegiances, check this out. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:54, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- Are you saying I should update the template accordingly? •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 15:57, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- Hehe. What about removing the number of PMs from the list? -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:16, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- Entirely, or just from the parentheses? Meanwhile, how do we treat this? •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 16:34, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- We can remove the numbers, at least in parentheses. Your call. Some party formations do not even exists anymore i.e. Loverdos' "party". -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:55, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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Athens
editΑθήναι (Athínai) stands for Athens
Ἀθῆναι (Athênai) stands for Athenians
--SrpskiAnonimac (talk) 17:54, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
- No, it doesn't. They are lexically identical, and both mean "Athens". The only difference between the two is the use of monotonic versus polytonic orthography. Ἀθηναῖοι means "Athenians" in both ancient and modern Greek, with the latter using the monotonic system (Αθηναίοι) since 1982. Take it from a native Greek speaker and lifelong student of ancient Greek. •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 19:04, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
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Input of Ashokan Edict in Greek?
editHello ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ! A Greek native at last!! I saw your edit on Greco-Buddhism, and I thought you might be interested in writing in a few lines in Greek for a related article. The article in question is Kandahar Greek Edict of Ashoka, which ideally should have the full translitaration of the Edict in Greek... I tried to type in the first two lines, but the whole text is just beyond my capability. The full text of Ashoka's Edict in Greek is here, page 131. Would you by any chance agree to type the Greek text into the article? If you accept I would also be interested to known (pure curiosity) to what extent the text is understandable to a modern Greek native!... Hoping to hear from you! पाटलिपुत्र (talk) 16:22, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
- Done. The text is fairly accessible to an educated native speaker. •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 17:00, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you so much!! पाटलिपुत्र (talk) 17:34, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
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Hello. Help copy edit for article. Thanks you. Cheung2 (talk) 07:41, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi He is member of which party? --Panam2014 (talk) 22:56, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
- According to el:Κίνημα Αλλαγής, he heads his own party (distinct from PASOK) called Ανανέωση ("Renewal"). •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 07:42, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
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Please do no not comment on the nationality of other editors and authors, as it is unconstructive and a breach of WP:CIVILITY. I do not see any "Albanian nationalist" and "Albanian aversion/revisionism" there. Ahmet Q. (talk) 20:07, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
- I do. •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 20:08, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
- Your response above does not bring anything good to our editorial collaboration, and you continue to make similar comments. After my note above, you went to the talk page of the dispute and said again "I am fully aware of the Albanian perspective, and the keen desire of Albanian nationalists". This has to stop. Ahmet Q. (talk) 20:53, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
- What else am I supposed to call a transparent attempt, exclusively by Albanian editors, to erase the term "Northern Epirotes" from Wikipedia? It is merely a reflection of what has happened and continues to happen in the real world. •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 20:58, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
- Such personalizations in a dispute, such blatant violations of AGF, that's blockable. On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog: do not presume that you even know who's who, but even if you did, it shouldn't matter. Drmies (talk) 23:12, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
- What else am I supposed to call a transparent attempt, exclusively by Albanian editors, to erase the term "Northern Epirotes" from Wikipedia? It is merely a reflection of what has happened and continues to happen in the real world. •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 20:58, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
- Your response above does not bring anything good to our editorial collaboration, and you continue to make similar comments. After my note above, you went to the talk page of the dispute and said again "I am fully aware of the Albanian perspective, and the keen desire of Albanian nationalists". This has to stop. Ahmet Q. (talk) 20:53, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
- I would like to note that I received a temporary ban for the type of language that @ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ has used in the past days. Çerçok (talk) 12:22, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
This is your only warning; if you add defamatory content to Wikipedia again, as you did at Talk:Greek revolt of 1567–1572, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Please read the WP:BLP carefully. Drmies (talk) 23:15, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
- Do you intend to do anything about the blatant collusion and edit-warring by a certain group of editors who are attempting to impose the Albanian nationalist perspective across a plethora of Balkan-related articles? •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 15:18, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- No, but I'm thinking about copy-editing Whataboutism. Seriously, let's focus here. Drmies (talk) 15:49, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Really? Is that the best you've got? And let's focus on what, if not the stuff that actually is serious? •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 15:58, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- So here is the thing, ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ. First, I don't appreciate this jocular and too-familiar tone. Second, you have already fallen foul of WP:AGF in very serious ways, and I only warned you about that; I didn't sanction you. In addition, you have violated WP:BLP with your comments about scholars and their ethnicity. On top of that, all of it takes place in a disputed area and you have been informed of what tools administrators are given to try and tamp down on disruption in that area. Add that all up--well, I trust you can add that all up, and that you will realize that I have a job to do here, and that I am hoping that I don't have to do anything at all. But really that's in your hands. Drmies (talk) 17:24, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- I must admit I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Are you saying I'm not allowed to express genuinely held opinions about other editors or Albanian "scholars", to be jocular and familiar, to call out disruptive pro-Albanian edit-warring that you have refused to do anything about, or all of the above? •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 17:35, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Then you are admitting to incompetence. You may not violate AGF and BLP, and this "you refuse to do something about this", that's what trolls on Facebook say--and it is a violation of AGF as well. "Genuinely held opinions" are for Facebook also; Wikipedia is not a forum. None of this helps your case. Drmies (talk) 17:47, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- How exactly is it a violation of AGF? I didn't assume anything. You bluntly said you wouldn't address the issue I raised and accused me of whataboutery instead. It was a serious question and you dismissed it out of hand. As an administrator, could you direct me to the appropriate course of action regarding the pro-Albanian collusion and edit-warring? I am not very familiar with the administrative side of things. •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 17:56, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Please read carefully this: WP:COMPETENCE. Wikipedia is not a place where ethnicity of editors or scholars matters, only neutral contributions and quality of information. In this encyclopedia, all editors may agree or disagree with POV, but in all cases must remain WP:CIVIL and refrain from commenting on the perceived ethnicity of editors. For example instead of saying "X ethnicity editors", you may instead say "editors from the X topic area" which is more appropriate. In principle, editors have to focus only on the content, not on other editors, unless there is an actual behavioral issue or a POV pattern disruption. Right now, the fault lies on your side. You gotta drop this attitude of yours, take a break if you are frustrated, and familiarize with the Wiki Project's rules before making any further contributions and learn to seek compromises, or initiate a dispute resolution procedure. Good day. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 18:43, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Did you mean to address that comment to User:Drmies? Because I have read WP:COMPETENCE and I don't recall accusing anyone of incompetence. That's what was done to me, despite the fact that "[c]alling someone incompetent is a personal attack and is not helpful". •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 19:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- For edit warring, there's WP:ANEW. Drmies (talk) 20:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- In general ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ deals in a quite productive manner towards editors that reveal extreme points of nationalism. We are lucky to have such editors in our team.Alexikoua (talk) 22:20, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- My advice stands true for all editors, not just for you, ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ. For you, ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ, the last sentence also stands true as I believe there is room for editorial improvement. Do not worry, I have been in your place once. Everybody has been in fact. That's how we learn and become better editors.
- Drmies, I can't help but by checking the rest of the contrib notes, it is evident that although ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ is is the one in spotlight, the attitudes expressed by certain other editors, who are particularly active in the topic area, such as User:Ahmet Q. (who threw this notification here), have not exactly been helpful and compromising to this whole matter. Their WP:NATIONALIST contributions have, unfortunately, not improved at all, and are far from being considered neutral (or, as neutrally as one would have expected them to be, considering that Ahmet Q. is a far more experienced editor than ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ and they too evidently are aware of WP:BALKANS). Ahmet Q. should really keep this in mind the next time they argue that they "
do not see any "Albanian nationalist and Albanian aversion/revisionism there
". Because there can be no excuses for such contributions, I am afraid. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 22:57, 23 August 2022 (UTC)- Making false accusations and personal attacks is particularly disruptive and can get you sanctioned very easily. Please, don't do that again and try to read WP:CIVILITY. Ahmet Q. (talk) 01:48, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Ahmet Q.: I am afraid the acknowledgement of your problematic contributions log which is characterized by heavy POV editing, is not a matter of civility. Contrary, it is a matter that concerns Wikipedia's stability and the project's neutrality because editorial bias is harmful. The admins have every right to be aware, pay attention upon, and contain if deemed necessary, especially following the Arbitration Committee's conclusions about the WP:BALKANS topic area which is suffering from heavy POV editing and disruption and the sanctioning of several Balkan topic area editors already. So yes, for as long as you keep up with this behavior, you may expect that I won't be remaining indifferent to your case. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 18:32, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- @SilentResident I would appreciate it if you could spend more time trying to ameliorate your own behavior instead of derailing the conversation from the main issue, which is already quite serious. Also, I find it difficult to take your accusation of "problematic contributions log" seriously considering your very controversial editing history. If you don't like my editing behavior please, make a report at AE. In the meanwhile I don't think it is too much to ask that you stop making false accusations and personal attacks. That will be my last respond to you, as this conversation is completely sterile. Ahmet Q. (talk) 22:15, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Ahmet Q.: I am afraid the acknowledgement of your problematic contributions log which is characterized by heavy POV editing, is not a matter of civility. Contrary, it is a matter that concerns Wikipedia's stability and the project's neutrality because editorial bias is harmful. The admins have every right to be aware, pay attention upon, and contain if deemed necessary, especially following the Arbitration Committee's conclusions about the WP:BALKANS topic area which is suffering from heavy POV editing and disruption and the sanctioning of several Balkan topic area editors already. So yes, for as long as you keep up with this behavior, you may expect that I won't be remaining indifferent to your case. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 18:32, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
- Making false accusations and personal attacks is particularly disruptive and can get you sanctioned very easily. Please, don't do that again and try to read WP:CIVILITY. Ahmet Q. (talk) 01:48, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- "
In general ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ deals in a quite productive manner towards
...I am lost for words, are you actually condoning such kind of disruptive behavior? "... editors that reveal extreme points of nationalism
" this is a severe allegation, can we know who those editors are? Ahmet Q. (talk) 02:09, 24 August 2022 (UTC)- I admit that disruptive can be the declaration that everything north of Preveza is non-Greek in terms of 16th century history. ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ is a productive editor and among the best we have in the field of the Balkans. As already said Cercok should avoid behaving in a nationalistic manner and removing large content of valuable information. If someone has breached CIVIL that Cercok not this editor.Alexikoua (talk) 02:59, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed. Although I haven't been very involved in articles of interest to Albanian nationalism—I don't know how to sanitize this description any further—my own observation is that the latest "controversy" arose when Çerçok (talk · contribs) began to insert a pro-Albanian narrative into multiple articles and talk pages on the basis of a single Albanian author (Pëllumb Xhufi) who doesn't even write in English. Until the fairly recent past, such attempts were routinely reverted by more established editors and the long-standing consensus of relying on reliable sources was upheld. For reasons unbeknownst to me, this appears no longer to be the case. Subsequently, the "focus" shifted to my allegedly "mean" words, while the essence of the dispute was left to be decided by editors whose blatant biases may not even be mentioned. All in all, it's been a thoroughly eye-opening experience. •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 15:18, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- There is no dispute. There is one truth, and then there are long sourceless paragraphs that you put around it. Çerçok (talk) 22:21, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed. Although I haven't been very involved in articles of interest to Albanian nationalism—I don't know how to sanitize this description any further—my own observation is that the latest "controversy" arose when Çerçok (talk · contribs) began to insert a pro-Albanian narrative into multiple articles and talk pages on the basis of a single Albanian author (Pëllumb Xhufi) who doesn't even write in English. Until the fairly recent past, such attempts were routinely reverted by more established editors and the long-standing consensus of relying on reliable sources was upheld. For reasons unbeknownst to me, this appears no longer to be the case. Subsequently, the "focus" shifted to my allegedly "mean" words, while the essence of the dispute was left to be decided by editors whose blatant biases may not even be mentioned. All in all, it's been a thoroughly eye-opening experience. •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 15:18, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- I admit that disruptive can be the declaration that everything north of Preveza is non-Greek in terms of 16th century history. ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ is a productive editor and among the best we have in the field of the Balkans. As already said Cercok should avoid behaving in a nationalistic manner and removing large content of valuable information. If someone has breached CIVIL that Cercok not this editor.Alexikoua (talk) 02:59, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
- In general ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ deals in a quite productive manner towards editors that reveal extreme points of nationalism. We are lucky to have such editors in our team.Alexikoua (talk) 22:20, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- For edit warring, there's WP:ANEW. Drmies (talk) 20:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Did you mean to address that comment to User:Drmies? Because I have read WP:COMPETENCE and I don't recall accusing anyone of incompetence. That's what was done to me, despite the fact that "[c]alling someone incompetent is a personal attack and is not helpful". •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 19:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Please read carefully this: WP:COMPETENCE. Wikipedia is not a place where ethnicity of editors or scholars matters, only neutral contributions and quality of information. In this encyclopedia, all editors may agree or disagree with POV, but in all cases must remain WP:CIVIL and refrain from commenting on the perceived ethnicity of editors. For example instead of saying "X ethnicity editors", you may instead say "editors from the X topic area" which is more appropriate. In principle, editors have to focus only on the content, not on other editors, unless there is an actual behavioral issue or a POV pattern disruption. Right now, the fault lies on your side. You gotta drop this attitude of yours, take a break if you are frustrated, and familiarize with the Wiki Project's rules before making any further contributions and learn to seek compromises, or initiate a dispute resolution procedure. Good day. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 18:43, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- How exactly is it a violation of AGF? I didn't assume anything. You bluntly said you wouldn't address the issue I raised and accused me of whataboutery instead. It was a serious question and you dismissed it out of hand. As an administrator, could you direct me to the appropriate course of action regarding the pro-Albanian collusion and edit-warring? I am not very familiar with the administrative side of things. •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 17:56, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Then you are admitting to incompetence. You may not violate AGF and BLP, and this "you refuse to do something about this", that's what trolls on Facebook say--and it is a violation of AGF as well. "Genuinely held opinions" are for Facebook also; Wikipedia is not a forum. None of this helps your case. Drmies (talk) 17:47, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- I must admit I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Are you saying I'm not allowed to express genuinely held opinions about other editors or Albanian "scholars", to be jocular and familiar, to call out disruptive pro-Albanian edit-warring that you have refused to do anything about, or all of the above? •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 17:35, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- So here is the thing, ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ. First, I don't appreciate this jocular and too-familiar tone. Second, you have already fallen foul of WP:AGF in very serious ways, and I only warned you about that; I didn't sanction you. In addition, you have violated WP:BLP with your comments about scholars and their ethnicity. On top of that, all of it takes place in a disputed area and you have been informed of what tools administrators are given to try and tamp down on disruption in that area. Add that all up--well, I trust you can add that all up, and that you will realize that I have a job to do here, and that I am hoping that I don't have to do anything at all. But really that's in your hands. Drmies (talk) 17:24, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Really? Is that the best you've got? And let's focus on what, if not the stuff that actually is serious? •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 15:58, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- No, but I'm thinking about copy-editing Whataboutism. Seriously, let's focus here. Drmies (talk) 15:49, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
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- Why thank you, sir. •ΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΣ• 15:25, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
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