User:Leutha/Archive 1 (July 2007)

celtic anarchism

hey harry, in response ot your deletion request on celtic anarchism, the page mentions the riseup list but is not about it. the content, if you had read the page, comes in in the examination of linkages between deep ecology, earth first, neo-paganism, liberation theology, anarchism, and left-nationalism. the page obviously needs work, it's not complete by any means, but it's not an advert. if you prefer i can remove the link to the riseup list, it's only there because they turned up while i was looking for sources.

the pages got deleted following your deletion request but i've got the text of it on my user page, any suggestions you have for it are welcome. thanks Anarchocelt 16:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll get you my pretty...

...and your little owl too! I have returned! Mwahahahahaha --Lord Voldemort 13:21, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

wotcha

Hello back, Harry :-) John Eden 12:24, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Charles Peirce

What is the origin of the middle name Santiago which you added to the Charles Peirce article? --Blainster 19:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Same question here: please answer on the article's talk page. I'm removing this pending a justification. --- Charles Stewart 18:33, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Russian masons

Harry, thanks for your addition to the List of Freemasons, but we're trying to be very sure that all additions to the list are properly sourced. Can you repost with citations? Thanks! --SarekOfVulcan 00:03, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for sourcing!--SarekOfVulcan 02:18, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Please source at Talk:List of Freemasons/citation, as noted at the main article, as this will keep this article out of the realm of "disputed" and other such tags. Grye 11:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

What?

"Glad to see your wising up!"? What are you referring to, and what does that mean? Quentin Pierc e 23:40, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Anarchism Talk Page

You made the comment that

here are clear differences between the grandiose claims made about anarchism as an abstract concept and the reality of anarchism as a social movement. I.e. if anarchism is about teh rejection of all forms of authority and oppression, then clearly such racists and msygonists as Proudhon and Bakunin have to be removed. However like other social political and religious movements, anarchism suffers from similar defects as all the others - so perhaps a more balanced NPOV way of writing that touches on Proudhon's sexism - which was relevant at the time rather than the constant removal of any references to this - which ends up with the same school of historical falsification that the bolsheviks have used to hide such phenomena as Kronstadt.

I have heard a bit about Proudhon being a sexist and anti-semite, and am glad to hear someone else mention it. I have had trouble finding much info on it though. I must admit, I have not read much by either Proudhon or Bakunin and know little about their lives, so can you enlighten me more about this? I will say, I was not involved in taking any mentions of their shortcomings out, and I think they should be mentioned (but maybe on their individual pages and not the anarchism main page, depending on the circumstances). Anyways, I hope you continue to contribute to the discussion on the page. Oh, and btw, are you an HP fan too? I have a strange love for those books (it has waned since I became more politically active though). The Ungovernable Force 07:12, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Invitation

Hi Harrypotter,

Here's an invitation to visit Wikipedia:Japan-related topics notice board. There, you can meet other Wikipedians working on articles related to Japan. You'll find lists of new articles, projects, and resources such as Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles). Hope to see you there!

Best regards,

Fg2 11:22, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

White Australia Racist views

Hi,

It is a personal opinion to say that these "racist" views. Racialist views and racist views are not the same thing. Racialist views were common at the time, you may interpret it to be racist but please look over both definitions first. Again personal opinions do not belong on wikipedia. Please talk to me first if you want to change anything.

Thanks,

JJstroker 20:58, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Good grief. When can we just admit that Australia's a racist country? We are! JUST ADMIT IT! Drop the lousy defenses.

ArbCom elections

Thanks for leaving a question for me to answer. I have this evening answered it; you may want to have a read of the answer. David | Talk 00:36, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Aussie Racism

Hi Harry,

I discussed this topic several times on the talk page and to people it concerned and we all came to an agreement that "racialism" was more appropriate. I changed one of your edits back. Racialism believes that there are innate differences between races but doesnt particularly "hate" them for that reason. This was a very common view at that time. Racism is having a strong hateful sentiment against certain races just because of their skin color.

If I were to acknowledge that the NBA is 80 percent black, I can conclude that blacks could be considered better then whites in this category. Many people would misinterpret that to mean I would be racist against whites. This would put me in the category of a racialist, not a racist. Also racism is more of an opinion stated as a fact in the article. I would like for this article to remain accurate and encyclopedic. Please feel free to contact me so we can reach an agreement.

JJstroker

Aussie Laws

I changed it again. I really dont feel your changes are accurate. I feel that they are based more on opinion then historical accuracy. I dont mind you stating that the laws were perceived as racist in the article just as long as you put it in context. I really feel that stating that the laws were racist is more of an opinion.

Get back to me if you can,

JJstroker 21:05, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

I changed it again. I really think this time we both can agree on the edits. My main concern is that you are stating racism as a fact, when it is a personal opinion. Even if it is painfully obvious that Hitler was racist towards Jews you cant say that because its an opinion. This is an encyclopedia we cant just flat out state personal opinions no matter how obvious it may be. I really think that the policy was racialist, not so much racist. I added a racism section which I feel is perfect. You can explain the racism in the policy without stating it as a fact. We have to let the reader make up their own mind. I feel that the article should be non baised and accurate. I am happy and I think we can reach a compromise.

JJstroker

Mediation Cabal status update - Anarchism

Dear Harrypotter: I'm Nicholas Turnbull, mediator and coordinator down at the Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal. This is a status update regarding a mediation request that you are involved in, Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-01-07 Anarchism. I have written my initial view on the case and would be grateful if you would please consider what I have written there; in particular, I'd be grateful if you would please carry out the task I asked for to write a single sentence overview of what you think is wrong with the article, so that we can compare viewpoints to come up with a collective solution. Thank you very much for your participation. If you require any assistance relating to this matter please do not hesistate to contact me. Best regards, NicholasTurnbull | (talk) 20:59, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Convicts

Hi, for Wikipedias information on convict trasnportation to Australia see Category:Convictism in Australia and History of Australia (1788-1850) which is probably an article that could you some more detail on the transporation of convicts to Australia.--nixie 11:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Critics of anarchism

I've started a section for criticism of anarchism on the page, but desperately needs sourcing. Will you help? Also while I agree it's important to have this in there we are always struggling to make the page shorter. What I'm thinking is to have one or two sentences on each major criticism then maybe link to a new page to go into more detail.Bengalski 18:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Individualist anarchism and anarcho-capitalism

Thank you for your comments on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Individualist anarchism and anarcho-capitalism. I have closed the debate as no consensus. Please note that this does not preclude further discussion of the eventual disposition of the article, whether it be keeping, merging, redirecting, or deleting through another nomination at AfD. Per the recommendation by you and others that the article was US-centric, a {{Globalize}} tag was added to the article at the top; if you have any well-referenced information with an international perspective, please do add it. Again, thank you for your comments. -- Jonel | Speak 03:11, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

your smart remark

I don't appreciate that remark of yours. Respond on my talk page. RJII 02:12, 2 February 2006 (UTC) Oh I see, you're taking a disruptive editor's (Max_rspct) claim as true. Well, let me tell you, he's full of it. All he does is personally attack me. And, if you watch his editing, he deletes sourced material. He'll violate the 3RR regularly. If you want to know what he was responding to, it's because I replaced a chart on the capitalism article because he was deleting it without explaining why. Then he has the gall to message me here and call me disruptive. He's very disruptive. A claim of disruption is not evidence, especially from someone with as little credibility as him. You should be more careful before you make assumptions like that. RJII 15:39, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Freem@sonry

I hope the additions I have made will overcome your scepticism!(Harrypotter 23:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

At the very least, interesting. I'll try to get a proper look at it. - Jmabel | Talk 23:40, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Omar Bongo

Past Grand Master? I knew he boasted about his masonry responsibilities, i didn't know he lost them. Could ref be provided - not that I don't believe you, but I'd like to read in texto... Santa Sangre 14:03, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Huh? it must be Sunday morning, i don't really know if I'm waking up or going to sleep. Germany? I assumed you spoke about the History of Freemasonry entry, with the section concerning Germany, but no blue links to Omar Bongo there... As i said, i know Bongo is a freemason & will definitely not rv your edits. But I would be sincerely interested in reading more about it, so if you have sources, feel free to add them. I think we got some work to do on Bongo's article --- not a big concern. Surprisingly, the french Omar Bongo article is not much better, probably because French Wikipedia isn't much used yet. Santa Sangre 14:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Template

The template isn't doing any harm atm. Why kick it down before it even starts? Infinity0 ^talk 14:26, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

DYK

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List of Freemasons additions

I noticed you corrected one entry and added another to the France section. Our criteria for addition is that any addition must be sourced on the talk page in the appropriate section as well, and if there is no verifiable source, the person is removed. This prevents conspiracy theorist additions like "every US President". Proper citation usually means a Lodge name, but if there is an reliable and/or NPOV document that shows proof, that is OK as well. MSJapan 20:34, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Please source at Talk:List of Freemasons/citation, as noted at the main article, as this will keep this article out of the realm of "disputed" and other such tags. & as MSJ mentioned above, they were, unfortunately, removed. Please consider replacing them, properly cited in that place. Grye 12:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

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Anarchist symbolism

The page looks really good, if I have a chance I'll add something. One I've seen around is a graveyard with crosses and "New homes for the rich" underneth. I think this is from a Class War sticker, but I can't remember. Surprised not to see "(A) = Anarchy is Order" though. I don't know if it sourced, but I'm sure I've read it somewhere before. - FrancisTyers 18:45, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

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Anarchism reverts

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you.

Also, if I may make a suggestion? The term Aryan Anarchism does seem non-notable, but perhaps some of the content you added may be notable. Is there no where else you can put this content such as a new article (but please avoid the word "anarchism" in the title). The anarchy page is too long, and adding content which has at best a very tenous link to anarchism isn't helpful. Captainj 21:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

from my talk page Thank you for taking the trouble to remind me of the three-revert rule. However I find some of the remarks you made on my talk page less than appropriate, and wonder why you chose to make them. You state that the term Aryan Anarchism "does seem non-notable" and even remark that there was no citation on the Anarchism page, when the information was sourced to a book published by the Guru Nanak Dev University Press. You further talk about putting the material on another page, which would indicate that you have chosen to involve yourself in this debate in a somewhat officious manner without looking at the substantial work which has gone into the pages on Ghadar Party, Lala Hardayal, Komagata Maru, Hindu German Conspiracy Trial, Shyamji Krishnavarma, Bhai Parmanand by myself and others. No doubt you are a very busy person, but if you could find a few moments to consider the discussions on these pages before butting in, perhaps you might care to alter your view. Why do you suggest that we should use avoid use of the term anarchism in describing a phenomenon which very clearly is a variant of anarchism. How can this word be avoided, when it is so clearly necessary? No concensus has been reached upon the talk page. What had become clear was that many people have displayed their ignorance on the topic, and even become quite abusive. Indeed I don't know what to make of you remark that "adding content which has at best a very tenous link to anarchism isn't helpful" when clearly the link is very important, even if it makes some "anarchists" feel uncomfortable. Yes it is true that the Ghadar Party did have what could be called an anti-English, or even anti-White attitude, and maybe that is what some English or White anarchists feel uncomfortable about. But perhaps they need to reassess their stand point rather than mobilising an array of forces to prevent the anarchism page from truly reflecting the impact of anarchism amongst Punjabi immigrants to the Pacific Coast of Canada and the USA. Harrypotter 22:30, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your post. I had been assuming good faith, and am still trying, but you are beginning to appear to me as if you might be POV pushing. This article is about Anarchism. It isn't about Ghadar Party, Lala Hardayal, Komagata Maru, Hindu German Conspiracy Trial, Shyamji Krishnavarma, Bhai Parmanand. I have no interest in these articles (though if I get a chance I may well check they are NPOV now). Since Wikipedia is does not self-reference, it would be most helpful to focus on Anarchism, where incidentally I had already posted comments on the talk page under another section - so I did not involve myself officiously. If you are interested in Anarchy it would be helpful to read the other recent comments on the talk page, and not just focus on one part. Any further content, unless it is amazing and fantastic, to the Anarchism page is unhelpful since it is far too long already (see WP:SIZE). The page is 69Kb long, when no more than 30kb is recommended (as I already posted on the talk page). I am really not interested in discussing this further here. The most appropriate place is the talk page. If people haven't been civil to you then report them for violating WP:CIVIL (and you certainly seem more civil than them). I am cross posting this to my my talk page and the Anarchism talk page. Please reply at Anarchism talk if you want to talk about the article, revisions etc. Thanks Captainj 23:16, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Bakunin reverts

I've requested arbitration. Check the arbitration request page. Here is my statement:

To maintain the NPOV status of the Bakunin entry, his anti-semitic comments should not be given the undue prominence that certain people keep insisting on giving them. It is sufficient to note that Bakunin made anti-semitic comments, and then to provide a link to an acceptable original or NPOV secondary source. The current quotations are taken from anti-semitic websites and are of dubious provenance. The first quote (allegedly calling Jews an "exploiting sect," a "people of leeches," etc.) is taken from an "essay" posted on an anti-semitic website: http://library.flawlesslogic.com/jtr_01.htm. This is not an acceptable NPOV secondary source. The second quote is just a lengthier version of the first quote, and is supposedly from an essay attributed to Bakunin entitled "Polemique contre les Juifs." There is no link or other information given that would enable anyone to verify the authenticity of this alleged quotation or the essay it is supposed to be taken from. If you search for it on the internet, it shows up only on anti-semitic websites. I have yet to find a reference to this alleged essay in any library catalog or in any collection of Bakunin's writings. When I posted a "citation needed" note to this second quotation, the Iron Duke simply deleted that, claiming the current citation was adequate. Thus, I object to the inclusion of these particular quotations because they have not been properly authenticated. I also object to more than passing reference to Bakunin's anti-semitism because these lengthy quotations, even if authentic, exaggerate the importance of Bakunin's anti-semitic writings, which formed only a miniscule part of his voluminous literary output (the Archives Bakounine project published 7 large volumes of his writings, and that was not a complete collection; the International Institute for Social History in Amsterdam has since published his complete works on CD ROM. It contains thousands of pages of material). Robgraham 20:42, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Bhai Parmanand

I've managed to briefly look at the articles you mentioned above. Some of them seem to need citations etc, also I think the some of the bios are borderline for inclusion in Wikipedia anyway (since they don't seem to meet the test for dead people: "Has the person made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in the specific field?" Wikipedia:Notability (people), but that's only a guideline so I am reluctant to nominate them for deletion since they do represent a welcome divergence from Wikipedia Western bias (not surprising given most editors are Western), and additionally Wikipedia:Notability (people) is only a guideline so its fair to ignore it at times.

I'm a bit more concerned about Bhai Parmandand since he doesn't even seem to have any sort of claim to notability. If no claim to notability is added to the article it may be a candidate for deletion. I've left a note on the article talk page. Best to reply there? Captainj 18:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

La Grand Lodge des Philadelphes

I'm questioning whether or not those people you added should be considered as Masons for the purposes of the list - I do not see any real connection to Masonry other than the name in the Memphis-Misraim article. Can you find some info on this? MSJapan 23:47, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't quite answer my question, because it seems to me that the regular Masons did not consider the Memphis-Misraim people to be Masons (and generally don't as far as regularity is concerned), the article on Memphis-Misraim doesn't discuss the issue, and you haven't pointed me to anyplace that tells me what the Memphis-Misraim folks thought about themselves (I don't read French, and a book title doesn't tell me what the book says). Do you have any other more readily accessible sources, preferably in English? MSJapan 18:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Please can you be civil! I, by far, am not a newcomer here (in fact I've been active since December last year, and have well over 8000 edits!). I was not intending to irritate you, proposing an article for speedy deletion is not personal!

However, you are not allowed to remove speedy tags from pages. Instead, use {{hangon}}. In this case, I'll let this pass. In the future, bear that in mind.

I apologise, but it didn't provide context at the time.

In the future, you could draft an article prior to starting it!

Anyway, have a nice night. Computerjoe 's talk 20:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal case

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Hi Harrypotter, I requested this mediation b/c I think that a third party perspective could be beneficial in resolving the "skirmish" on the PGA page. I know that you have been very willing to engage in open debate, so I hope that User:Lavieenrose and User:Anro will be as well. - N1h1l 18:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Result was as I expected. Does this affect your view of Wikipedia? See stuff on my and Paki.tv's talk pages. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts, here or elsewhere! (But any comments the opposition make on my talk page will be deleted).158-152-12-77 17:19, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

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London Action Resource Centre

Hi Harrypotter, I'm not quite sure where you are coming from with your edits to this page. Calling the London Action Resource Centre Mark Brown's wendy house is a personal attack, albeit a bizarre one. Thanks for adding references, but the femblog link doesnt appear to work and the other one does not "prove fascist infiltration" at all, so i have removed them again. Perhaps we can have a discussion on the talk page about how to progress further with this page. You and NickW appear to be in some kind of dispute, perhaps i can help resolve it... Mujinga 11:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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National anarchism edits

Hi. Your additions to the above are interesting and they could find a lasting home in the article. I certainly wouldn't want necessarily to exclude them, but do you think the place for such a large block of material is right at the beginning, before the introductory paragraph which is supposed to define the subject of the article? I'm not saying I'm sure yet where the best place for it would be, and I'm going to leave it alone for now, but please think about how to work it in, because right now it stands out like a sore thumb, which would invite somebody to remove it, and that's a pity as the information is intrinsically relevant.

I think it's POV to link 'nationalism and racism' though, as if they inevitably go together; not all nationalisms are racist, and not all anarchist nationalisms are racist either - this is addressed in the (former) introductory paragraph and in Core Concepts. Remove the 'racism', or change the 'and' to an 'or' (whichever is appropriate to the context), and it would look ok. :) Gnostrat 02:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I have made the change you suggested. I feel that the article shoudlld start from a general basis and then move into specifics.Harrypotter 17:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I was about to suggest move the material to Nationalist anarchism but you beat me to it! I'm going to work on the latter article to reorganise it into chronological order then I think your stuff would fit in nicely near the beginning. Gnostrat 17:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

"Jesus bird"

Hi. I noticed that you added a statement to Jacana that they're called "Jesus birds" in Jamaica. I moved that to Northern Jacana, since that's the only jacana in Jamaica (if you don't mind the euphony). But could you add your source for that statement? I couldn't find anything, though I did find claims at Amazon Book Search that the term is used elsewhere, maybe including Africa. Thanks. —JerryFriedman 05:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I think that's a big improvement to the article. —JerryFriedman 18:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Freemasonry and the Spanish section of the 1st International

Boris Nicolaevsky does not claim that Bakunin was a freemason, only "indicating" that he was "connected with the Philadelphians" -- without providing citation or telling us what he means by "connected". If he knew him to be a member, he should have said so. [p. 56] He makes no claims in the cited text that there was "substantial involvement of Freemasons in the First International". He writes "Official masonry in France was never a factor in the formation and development of the First International" [p. 37]

Nicolaevsky writes "Outwardly, these groups had the form of a masonic organization and bore a masonic name, the Lodge of the Philadelphians (Loge des Philadelphes). Some of the members may in fact have considered themselves masons. But veteran masons, those, who headed the lodges, must have realized that their lodges had little in common with real masonry." [p. 38] He goes on to say "They did not maintain organizational ties with official masonry either in France or in England" [p. 39] and describe it as "one of those secret societies which outwardly imitated the masons but which were essentially conspiratorial political organizations." [p. 40]

In the same book you cite can be found a paper by Jacques Freymond, who writes :

"In a study of the IWA published 16 years ago[8], we said it was impossible to know whether Freemasonry had had a hand in it. Subsequent research has not resolved the question." [p. 7.]

[8.] Jacques Freymond, "Etude sur la formation de la Première Internationale," Revue d'histoire suisse, Vol. XXX (1950), No. 1, pp. 1-45.

The Order of Memphis was an opportunistic and short-lived body. The Loge des Philadelphes was a political club. These groups called themselves masonic and members of these bodies, or other recognized masonic bodies, may have participated in the First International. But to call these men freemasons without defining the term is a willful distortion of the evidence.

You claim that it is "well known that Bakunin was involved with Freemasonry". What kind of Freemasonry? When was he initiated? What lodge was he a member of? What masonic jurisdiction was it warranted by? Personally, I'd be happy to add Bakunin to my list of famous freemasons if those questions were addressed. Trevor W. McKeown 03:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

As wikipedia describes Freemasonry as "a fraternal organization whose membership has shared moral and metaphysical ideals and — in most of its branches — requires a constitutional declaration of belief in a Supreme Being. The fraternity uses the metaphor of operative stonemasons' tools and implements . . ." I am not sure of what relevance your discussion of a "willful distortion of the evidence" has. As for the Order of Memphis being short-lived, The Rite of Memphis-Misraïm include it as a stage in their history. Their opportunism is not really a suitable matter for discussion here, outside of concrete issues. As for the Philadelphes they have a distinct wikipedia page - quite rightly to my mind. The questions you ask about Bakunin and very inetersting, and indeed I would also like to hear any knews in this area. If the popular conception that he was a feemason is unfounded, that would be very interesting, however I suspect the truth is that he may never been involved in regular freemasonry, but followed in the wake of Bounarotti and Blanqui in using Masonry as a cloak for their politcal conspiracies. Of course many people may deplore such activities, but this does not mean they do not take place.Harrypotter 17:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

To recap: I claimed that there is "no historical reason to associate Freemasonry" with the IWA. You responded : "there was substantial involvement of Freemasons in the First International," citing Nicolaevsky. I quoted Nicolaevsky demonstrating that he does not support your claim. The involvement of freemasons does not imply or demonstrate the involvement of Freemasonry. The terms "Freemasonry", "freemasons" and "the freemasons" are often used, interchangeably, for different purposes. A regular freemason will generally use the terms to describe regular recognized Freemasonry and its members. A non-mason or member of an irregular, clandestine or self-styled masonic body will often extend the definition to include any body styling itself masonic. A casual reader may mistake a reference to one of those bodies or its members as a reference applying to regular Freemasonry. An anti-mason will take a such a reference to an irregular, clandestine or self-styled masonic body and apply it to regular Freemasonry. Without, in context, defining the terms, the vagueness of meaning render them irrelevant if not valueless. The question must be asked, what is the purpose in describing an IWA logo in masonic terms. The symbols--the level, the circle, the plumb--are common to many philosophical, political and religious iconographies and appeared on many non-masonic trade guild crests and arms. Why single out Freemasonry? Was the illustrator a freemason? Was the decision to use the logo made by freemasons? What is the relevance of their masonic membership? Was the group influenced, motivated or controlled by freemasons or Freemasonry? This is certainly the unspoken implication. I withdraw my labeling of the Loge des Philadelphes as merely a political club, although its political reason d'etre and irregular origins qualifies it, at best, as fringe freemasonry. As an aside, the Wikipedea entry for the Philadelphes--not detailing its French origins, organizational structure or rituals--is very incomplete. By quoting the Wikipedea entry for Freemasonry: "a fraternal organization whose membership has shared moral and metaphysical ideals" you make my point for me. To identify the Loge des Philadelphes, or the IWA, or Bakunin, with Freemasonry is to imply that their morals and ideals, and organization, are shared by regular Freemasonry. And this is demonstratably not the case. A distinction must be made between Freemasonry and freemasons. While individual freemasons--in the loosest possible sense of the word--may have been active in the First International, this does not imply or demonstrate any association with the larger body of Freemasonry. I have added the word "regular" to the footnote you originally objected to. Speaking of which--do you know what happened to the image link? Trevor W. McKeown 22:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Image:FRE-AIT.svg.

There is some kind of problem with the image you uploaded, Image:FRE-AIT.svg. It isn't displaying properly at all. I have no idea what the problem is, but for the time being, I'm reverting to the old image until the problem is resolved. Just thought I should let you know. ~Switch ^{t c g} 11:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Kartar Singh Sarabha

Working on a page for Lahore Conspiracy Case (the forst invloved the execution of 27 Ghadarites in 1915 and the second resulted in the 3 martyrs of 1931 Paki.tv 02:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

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William Schaw

I just gave Schaw a copyedit, mostly typos - its coming on, but can you clarify a couple of points? and ensured that they would lodge warden by the master masons, - that doesnt make sense to me? And a couple more I've noted (in comment brackets) in the text. And you still need a reference for the claim that Schaw was 'placed' as James VI's fellow catholic. Hope you can help. Thanks, Edward Waverley 08:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

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You need to add a DETAILED rationale, IN ADDITION to the boiler plate license tag. I suggest you refer to the example here [1], albiet thats for album cover-art, but could easily be adapted for the magazine covers/scans you have uploaded. ShakespeareFan00 23:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Subsquently a suitable rationale was added :) ShakespeareFan00 12:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

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Hi, and thanks for starting the article on William Byron Rumford. However, I notice that the text was copy/pasted directly from the article "Historic black politician is honored throughout Oakland". While I appreciate your providing the source of your information, we can't simply copy and paste from other sources, as it constitutes copyright infringement. When creating Wikipedia articles, please use your own words. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask me at my talk page. Thanks, --Rockero 02:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing out the changes you made to the article text. While I am not certain exactly how many diction and syntactical changes must be made before material is no longer considered infringing, I usually try to play it safe by using phrasing and words that are as original as possible. While I am not in any position to require you to do the same, I would like to help you avoid any trouble you may encounter in this regard. I apologize for the misunderstanding.--Rockero 21:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I have done as much as I plan on doing with the article. You may want to take a look and see if there is anything you can add. For example, I was unable to determine who succeeded Rumford in his assembly seat. BTW, you may want to place the templates regarding the WikiProjects you're involved in to your user page, the normal place to put them. Thanks, --Rockero 06:32, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

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