Template talk:Nations at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics

Mixed-NOCs

I strongly object to the removal of the mixed-NOCs link from this template. There is a precedent for including mixed teams in these templates; I see no reason why it shouldn't be here. If it's the name of the template, then that needs to change. Strange Passerby (talk) 11:23, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I guess the title/name of the template is in line with the convention, so changing it is not really an option. It's called "Nations at the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics in Singapore", similar to the other templates (with the difference lying in the event name and location) – I suppose mixed-NOCs is not a nation. And classifying it under 'Related', well the mixed-NOCs concept is about a type of team and event, so it doesn't go well with what we are looking at here, nations. I was browsing through Template:Nations at the 1896 Summer Olympics, Template:Nations at the 1900 Summer Olympics etc and yes Mixed teams is listed; though the format of the mixed teams is very different from that of today's mixed-NOCs. To the best of my knowledge, the past mixed teams could be considered delegations themselves, while mixed-NOCs is about blending the athletes from different nations together. I decided to sweep off the mixed-NOCs link as such. I'm open to discussion though. Best, ANGCHENRUI ^Talk♨ 11:59, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

It might be possible to slot in the mixed-NOCs link into the template, I do think, except that the current phrasing "Teams comprising of more than one NOC" definitely is shady — is it a team or a nation we are looking at? Has to be changed for sure. We can do something like Template:Nations at the 1896 Summer Olympics, where the mixed teams link is together with all the other links. I'm not too sure about this though, since the concepts don't immix well together in our case as I pointed out. ANGCHENRUI ^Talk♨ 12:08, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I disagree. "[T]he past mixed teams could be considered delegations themselves" is clearly not the case; these athletes, just as mixed-NOC team athletes, also represented a nation at those Games. Do you have a good reason for not linking the mixed-NOC article, considering they accounted for 28 medals? I don't see one. I also don't see the problem with "Teams comprising of athletes from more than one NOC", especially since it's already under a "related" category. "Related" already suggests that the articles in this area need not be about a "nation". Strange Passerby (talk) 13:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Clearly we have a problem if you're going to totally disengage a mixed-NOCs team from the mixed team of old. No, they are not the same, but in practice, the three medals won in tennis and table tennis were won by a team competing under exactly the same principle as a mixed team of old.

Also, I don't see the mixed-NOCs article as being about an event or events; I consider it about a delegation-equivalent — hence the medal infobox in the article. If one was to treat it as an article about an event or events, then surely the medal infobox is out of place there, another point which I would be against. Strange Passerby (talk) 13:56, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

An alternative would be to follow the Portuguese Wikipedia and list the mixed-NOCs under an "International" grouping. Strange Passerby (talk) 03:35, 27 August 2010 (UTC)