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Template talk:Infobox settlement/Archive 2012 TfD

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Latest comment: 11 years ago by NVanMinh in topic WP:OC#SHAREDNAMES


Statistics

Below are counts taken from Wikipedia:Database reports/Templates transcluded on the most pages. As comparison the rank and the count for the upper case Infobox Settlement is given.

Nov/Dec 2011 and Apr/May 2012 the upper case variant was growing. Assuming there was some conversion to lower case and no conversion to upper case, then there was some new creation of upper case versions. But no way is known to find out which this were.

  • Since 23:36, 10 June 2010 Xenobot lowered the case [1].
  • At 01:28, 11 June 2009 the template Infobox Settlement was moved to Infobox settlement. [2]
  • The 8 June 2009 value 149533 dropped to max(137966,138391) =138391 on 22 June 2009. I.e. 10 K less transclusions reported.
  • On 8 July 2009 the count was above the pre-move level.
Date Count Rank Note
2018-11-27 488862 125 Infobox Settlement: 8458
2018-01-21 473850 117 Infobox Settlement: 11036
2016-09-06 458770 102 Infobox Settlement: 13349
2013-09-08 340756 133 Infobox Settlement: 20131
2012-12-08 302168 159 Infobox Settlement: 24930
2012-11-22 298830 158 Infobox Settlement: 25328
2012-06-08 276548 161 Infobox Settlement: 25778
2012-05-22 280662 155 Infobox Settlement: 25812
2012-05-08 278788 156 Infobox Settlement: 25829
2012-04-21 275868 157 Infobox Settlement: 25801
2012-04-08 273114 157 Infobox Settlement: 25715
2012-03-22 267550 158 Infobox Settlement: 26202
2012-02-22 264760 160 Infobox Settlement: 26413
2012-01-22 261469 155 Infobox Settlement: 26546
2012-01-08 260574 153 Infobox Settlement: 26641
2011-12-08 258924 169 Infobox Settlement: 26807
2011-11-22 258293 152 Infobox Settlement: 26801
2011-11-08 255766 163 Infobox Settlement: 26817
2011-09-22 249484 157 Infobox Settlement: 26865 / some rows omitted, next here is January, more in the page history
2011-01-22 234716 146 Infobox Settlement: 28270
2010-07-08 212073 131 Infobox Settlement: 29260
2010-06-22 209606 130 Infobox Settlement: 29405 / big change, maybe counting method changed
2010-06-08 208465 128 Infobox Settlement: 115940
2010-05-08 204636 129 Infobox Settlement: 115983
2010-04-22 202268 132 Infobox Settlement: 116045
2010-01-22 187756 133 Infobox Settlement: 126998
2009-08-22 157892 119 Infobox Settlement: 138769
2009-08-05 155403 123 Infobox Settlement: 137910
2009-07-22 154488 119 Infobox Settlement: 137538
2009-07-08 152456 118 Infobox Settlement: 135676
2009-06-22 137966 139 Infobox Settlement: 138391 // rank for upper is 138
2009-06-08 - 116 (S) Infobox Settlement: 149533
2009-05-27 - 116 (S) Infobox Settlement: 148874
2009-04-24 - 108 (S) Infobox Settlement: 145007

Tools

These tools can be used to find the quantity of pages (!not only articles) that transclude a templates.

Data as of 19 December 2012:

More work needed

Potential

Converted

…to use {{Infobox settlement}} as a back-end; see:

Category:Templates calling Infobox settlement (of which there are 30).

Redirected

Lower case

Used:

  • As of 2018-11-22 no lower case redirect used in article space.


Not used:

Upper case

These are used:

All:

Deleted

This list is under development and is far from complete. Please add templates which have been deleted in favour of this one.
  1. Template:Bosnia and Herzegovina municipalities Zenica
  2. Template:Bosnia and Herzegovina municipalities02
  3. Template:CoDepartment infobox
  4. Template:Community area
  5. Template:Croatian County
  6. Template:District data of Japan
  7. Template:India UT capital infobox
  8. Template:India UT infobox2
  9. Template:Infobox Amphoe
  10. Template:Infobox Argentinian Department
  11. Template:Infobox Autonomous community
  12. Template:Infobox Belgische deelgemeente
  13. Template:Infobox Chaco
  14. Template:Infobox Chilean region
  15. Template:Infobox County Romania
  16. Template:Infobox District PT
  17. Template:Infobox Greek prefecture
  18. Template:Infobox Philippine region
  19. Template:Infobox Uruguayan Department
  20. Template:Infobox City in Afghanistan
  21. Template:Infobox city in the Republic of Macedonia
  22. Template:Infobox city in the Republic of Macedonia (dual language)
  23. Template:Infobox City of Moldova
  24. Template:Infobox city of Panama
  25. Template:Infobox City PT
  26. Template:Infobox City Ukraine
  27. Template:Infobox Crimean town
  28. Template:Infobox County Estonia
  29. Template:Infobox deelgemeente Belgium
  30. Template:Infobox divisions of Sarawak
  31. Template:Infobox District Cambodia
  32. Template:Infobox District CZ
  33. Template:Infobox District of Moldova
  34. Template:Infobox District Peru
  35. Template:Infobox districts of Selangor
  36. Template:Infobox England district
  37. Template:Infobox Estonian County
  38. Template:Infobox Federal Territory of Malaysia
  39. Template:Infobox French hamlet
  40. Template:Infobox Luxembourg
  41. Template:Infobox Luxembourg canton
  42. Template:Infobox Micropolitan Area
  43. Template:Infobox Moldovan Location
  44. Template:Infobox Montenegro
  45. Template:Infobox Municipalities of Portugal
  46. Template:Infobox Municipality in the Republic of Macedonia
  47. Template:Infobox Municipality portugal
  48. Template:Infobox Municipality pt
  49. Template:Infobox of upazilas
  50. Template:Infobox Pakistan district
  51. Template:Infobox Pakistani location
  52. Template:Infobox Political Division
  53. Template:Infobox Province GR
  54. Template:Infobox Province of Kazakhstan
  55. Template:Infobox Region of Georgia
  56. Template:Infobox Romania Villages
  57. Template:Infobox Settlement 1
  58. Template:Infobox Settlement (Serbia)
  59. Template:Infobox Statistical Regions of the Republic of Macedonia
  60. Template:Infobox Subdivisions of Malaysia
  61. Template:Infobox Tehsil Pakistan
  62. Template:Metropolitan cities of India
  63. Template:Place in Mexico
  64. Template:Romanian regions infobox
  65. Template:Statistical region of Slovenia
  66. Template:Tirana District
  67. Template:Taiwan Administrative Divisions
  68. Template:Tokyo-Infobox
  69. Template:Tokyo-Infobox/Idea 1
  70. Template:Union councils of Pakistan
  71. Template:Village in Ukraine
  • …..

Comments

Latest comment: 11 years ago4 comments4 people in discussion

Based on some of the discussions that occurred at those TfD's above. I added the demographics fields, additional timezones, and a separate section of blankfields. Hopefully we'll have some examples in the explanation table soon. —MJCdetroit (yak) 17:18, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:37, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
  • This Infobox is so versitile and covers a very wide range of data, I don't see why the other infoboxes (especially the subdivision ones) were created in the first place. I think the Subdivision infoboxes should be discussed for deletion ASAP because they try to use the same parameters found in this infobox and are redundant in lieu of this. Digirami (talk) 07:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Because they are easier for the editors. On a Vietnamese box, an editor would never have to enter time zone information, because the time zone is the same for all of Vietnam! NVanMinh (talk) 22:56, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Redirects for deletion - they break tools

Latest comment: 11 years ago8 comments2 people in discussion

Redirects break tools and also may interfere with human interaction.

Counting tools

One tool for which behavior is not known is the counter: http://toolserver.org/~jarry/templatecount/index.php?lang=en&name=Template%3AInfobox+settlement may omit redirects.

There may be other tools that don't work on redirects. And that puts an extra burden on the management of the articles:

  • finding them
  • checking the fields

At 08:02, 17 December 2012 (UTC) the counter did show 303887 then I replaced some redirects, and now 23:11 it shows 304251.

List via: http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_settlement&hidetrans=1&hidelinks=1 NVanMinh (talk) 23:11, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Nominate them at WP:RFD first, then orphan them if the discussion closes as delete. Frietjes (talk) 00:44, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Why so? What is the reason to have 30 articles using Infobox city [4]. RFD is for deletion not for replacement. The current situation breaks tools! Why do you oppose? NVanMinh (talk) 00:48, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
I find it easier to find all the province articles by using what links to {{infobox province}}, and WP:RFD is Redirects for discussion the last time I checked. Frietjes (talk) 00:56, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
OK. Point taken. I stop replacement and can you stop reverting and then we discuss? You didn't address "city". NVanMinh (talk) 00:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
I have not reverted any of your replacements of village, town, etc with settlement, just higher administrative subdivisions (zone, department, ...). Frietjes (talk) 01:15, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. NVanMinh (talk) 02:03, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit tools

What is with WP:CHECKWIKI, can it be used to clean up templates, e.g. order elements, add spaces so the "=" and the values align well. Will it work on redirects? If so, does it need a complete list supplied by us? NVanMinh (talk) 07:16, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

WP:OC#SHAREDNAMES

Latest comment: 11 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 November 2#various subdivision categories - SHAREDNAMES was applied to remove grouping of items by type name (province/department/division). So it was deemed not worthy for the readers of the Wikipedia. But some editors now use work around to group things that only share a name. They put "Infobox county" on articles about counties of Albania and counties of Liberia. So editors then can look at what links here to find all things named county. But the normal readers cannot. I think this is not fair WRT the average reader. NVanMinh (talk) 07:31, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Orphaning of redirects

Latest comment: 11 years ago8 comments3 people in discussion

Could you please stop orphaning redirects? We frequently have a problem where editors will try to create a fork of {{Infobox settlement}} just because they think that a Zone or a Province or a County is not a settlement. To help limit the number of forks, many have been redirected to {{Infobox settlement}}. This also helps editors to find {{Infobox settlement}} when they look for say {{Infobox province}}. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:50, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

This template was plastered on articles that were not provinces in the first place. And all what these things have in common is something close to WP:OC#SHAREDNAMES. And the redirects on if placed in articles break functionality of tools. And orphaning does not stop people to find Infobox settlement, right? NVanMinh (talk) 01:53, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
What functionality of which tools is broken? Calliopejen1 (talk) 02:18, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
The official transclusion counter, linked from template pages. NVanMinh (talk) 02:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
What's so hard about adding up the numbers for various redirects? Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:46, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Why calculating values if you could have them with one click? NVanMinh (talk) 21:51, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
So your plan is to just ignore everyone who tells you to stop? That's a very bad idea. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 06:21, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
No. With Frietjes I have an agreement to not touch Infobox province/department/state ... there is no objection WRT neighborhood and the other smaller units. See above, there are 300000+ transclusions of Infobox settlement, that means Infobox neighborhood with 10 transclusions or so is not even a per mil. Evem Infobox City is less than one percent. Almost all new articles are created by using the generic standard template "Infobox settlement". So, what is the problem to consolidate Infobox City into Infobox settlement? NVanMinh (talk) 07:13, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
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