Template talk:Infobox port

Latest comment: 1 year ago by Militum professio scriniarii in topic World Port Index database ID

Parameters

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Is it easy to add a few spots to the template? Namely,

  • callsign(s) of the terminal
  • CB frequencies of the terminal and
  • the timezone information for that terminal?

CaribDigita (talk) 04:58, 4 January 2011 (UTC)Reply

Yes, it is fairly easy to do, but the better question is should we? I certainly could see some utility to the timezone in an encyclopedia article, but the infobox for airports does not include them, and those are similar facilities. Certainly not the most determinative, but something to keep in mind. As to the other two, those seem to me to be something you would add if this was a guide, and that is not what Wikipedia is about. And again, I don't believe the airport infobox includes how to contact the terminal. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:58, 4 January 2011 (UTC)Reply

Website parameter

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Can we have the website parameter appear under the "Details" section instead of its current location under the "Statistics" section? The location of a port's website is not statistics-related. It looks particularly peculiar to list a website under this section when no other statistics-related parameters are populated. See Port Alberta. Hwy43 (talk) 23:23, 9 April 2012 (UTC)Reply

In the meantime, I've used the "blankdetailstitle3" parameter at Port Alberta to place the website under the "Details" section. Hwy43 (talk) 07:21, 10 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
Typically the website is at the bottom of an infobox, it just so happens this one puts it in a Statistics section. How does this look? 117Avenue (talk) 05:39, 13 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
Looks better. What would be ideal is a condition that, if the ~10 statistics-related parameters above it are all unpopulated but the website parameter is populated, the "Statistics" header is not displayed. Is this possible? Hwy43 (talk) 06:00, 13 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
Good catch, I didn't see that. 117Avenue (talk) 06:04, 13 April 2012 (UTC)Reply
Took long enough! ;o) Thanks. Hwy43 (talk) 05:06, 18 September 2012 (UTC)Reply

Location map

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Hi there, could somebody please add parameters for a location map. We're writing a couple of articles for GibraltarpediA and this would be particularly useful there. Thanks, --Gibmetal 77talk 2 me 21:35, 17 September 2012 (UTC)Reply

Copy the one already implemented into Template:Infobox UK place. User:ScotXWt@lk 13:34, 12 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

Draft depth

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There should be a

Wikideas1 (talk) 12:55, 7 February 2016‎ (UTC)Reply
now added. Frietjes (talk) 15:01, 12 March 2017 (UTC)Reply
Draft and depth are 2 complimentary dimensions. Draft refers to the measurement from the bottom of the keel to the waterline of a ship. Depth on the other hand refers to the depth of water available. So a port with a depth of 12 meters would not be able to handle ships of 12 meter draft as they would be scraping along the bottom. Ships require an under keel clearance to allow them to move in the water. This is sometimes specified by the port/terminal and sometimes it is decided by the ship's master and/or the pilot. I think some clarification on the Draft depth parameter is needed to indicate what the value actually represents. Fob.schools (talk) 12:34, 5 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

UN/Locode

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The UN/LOCODE should be a parameter I believe. It is equivalent to the IATA or ICAO codes used for airports. Can it be added? Fob.schools (talk) 12:46, 5 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

I have added it now. Fob.schools (talk) 13:52, 8 December 2017 (UTC)Reply

Misuse of templates?

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Not sure if it is a problem as such but https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_port shows that is template is frequently used in articles that are not about sea ports, e.g. for border crossings like El Paso Stanton Street Port of Entry or Lewiston–Queenston Bridge that make use of the customizable attributes. Kq-hit (talk) 15:39, 1 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

Port logo parameter

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Would it be possible to have a second image or logo parameter added so that the infobox can display the port authority logo as well as a general photo of the port? The airport infobox has such a provision. Thanks Thx811 (talk) 21:03, 16 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Support Fob.schools (talk) 08:41, 17 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

Implementation

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Hello Thx811. Commenting here based on this. Infobox port currently use 3 image placeholders. One for the usual photo, one for a manual static map, and one more for another map (parameter name: image_map). Would you want me to add a fourth?

If you'd like, I could look into merging both the map parameters and upgrading it to a dynamic map like Template:Infobox power station, and then adding a 3rd image placeholder as you requested (probably between the photo and the map). That's just my suggestion, but let me know what you'd like. Cheers. Rehman 15:45, 17 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hi Rehman, thanks for getting back. I think your suggestion of merging the maps would be a good idea. I think a logo parameter would sit best between the current name and image parameters, so it displays the same order as in the Template:Infobox airport. Many thanks Thx811 (talk) 19:06, 17 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
Can someone go into some more detail on the map options? I’ve been through a whole bunch of these templates articles in the last few weeks and really haven’t noticed many using maps. Fob.schools (talk) 20:08, 17 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
Fob.schools; since the current maps require a static raster file name to be manually set, I think this is probably because many just don't bother with adding them. The new map will be automatic, generated based on the coordinates. Would you like me to go ahead in adding that? Rehman 02:09, 18 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
Ideally, yes. I just wondered if the editor will have an ability or need to finesse the area displayed automagically? Fob.schools (talk) 07:06, 18 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
The editor doesn't need to set the display region manually (it would be automatically determined based on coords). Of course, in rare cases, this can be overridden at the article level. Will look into this soon. Cheers, Rehman 07:14, 18 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hello Thx811 and Fob.schools. I've drafted the image and map functions at Template:Infobox port/sandbox. Could you test it and let me know if that is what you prefer? You can test it by visiting an existing article that uses {{Infobox port}} and simply change the template to {{Infobox port/sandbox}} and preview it.

  • logo, logo_alt, logo_size, and logo_caption, are the parameters for the logo. Default size is the width of the first image.
  • Any article that has a value in pushpin_map, will automatically show the map. Default size is the width of the first image.

Let me know. If it is fine, I can move it to the live template. Cheers, Rehman 04:40, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

File:TemplateInfoboxPortTestingScreenshot 2020-05-19 at 10.03.00.png
Side-by-side - new vs old (left to right)
Thanks for this. All those parameters seem to be working but the default width seems to be changing
{{Infobox port/sandbox | name = Port of Rotterdam | logo = Port of Rotterdam logo.svg | logo_caption = Port of Rotterdam logo | logo_alt = Port of Rotterdam logo (c) 2020 Port of Rotterdam | logo_size = 150 | image = ECT waalhaven bij nacht.jpg | caption = The Wallhaven at night <!-- Location --> | pushpin_map = yes
Also, the pushpin icon is a bit 'not-a-port'. Can it be changed? Fob.schools (talk) 09:09, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
test was done on Port of Rotterdam btw. Fob.schools (talk)
Thanks Fob.schools, icon changed to "ferry", or you could also choose one from mw:Help:Extension:Kartographer/Icons. Could you tell me what would you like to occur regarding the size? Also, did you try adding px to the size (i.e. 150px)? I did some amendments to the default. Could you recheck and let me know please? Rehman 10:06, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
Add px to the logo size doesn't make much noticeable difference. But the image is now the same size as the map, but both seem to bigger than the current default. Fob.schools (talk) 11:00, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
Second comparison
Second comparison
I can definitely change the defaults. What would you like it to be? Rehman 11:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
I've now changed the defaults to 250px. Is this better? Rehman 11:18, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
Probably. What I'm unsure about is what has changed from the current invocation? Was/is the default 250 before your changes? It seems so, but perhaps there is something different about the Rotterdam infobox data? I'm not sure.
BTW, I'm being templated on Commons for uploading copyvio screenshots - LOL. The port logo is only 'fair use' so cannot appear on Commons.Fob.schools (talk) 13:33, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
The previous default was carried from Module:InfoboxImage. But since we have a map that should ideally be the same width of the image (to not look ugly), I had to set a local default. I'm not too sure what the exact default at the module is, it's probably subjective. Don't worry about the commons files. I went ahead and deleted those, as they aren't needed anymore. :) Shall I go ahead and move this to the live version? Rehman 13:59, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
Sounds good to me. Fob.schools (talk) 14:03, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
Done. I'll update the documentation shortly. Rehman 15:51, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
I've updated some of the docs, but I get a warning in preview that the logo parameter is invalid. But it saves and works ok. Fob.schools (talk) 16:21, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
The error msg is "Warning: Page using Template:Infobox port with unknown parameter "logo" (this message is shown only in preview)." Fob.schools (talk) 16:22, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
I'll clear those together with the doc update. Rehman 16:25, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
Many thanks Rehman, tried it out in sandbox and looks good. Thx811 (talk) 18:09, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Paremeter merge

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Post-template merger, we now have 2 parameters which effectively mean the same - teu= from the intermodal template is the same as containervolume= which was originally in the port infobox. Can someone merge them or depracate the teu= one please? Fob.schools (talk) 14:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

Body of Water

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Wikidata has a property called located in or next to body of water (P206); is it worth adding an equivalent entry to the infobox? FWIW, Greenwich Pier lists it in Location, but it's not listed explicitly on Port of Tilbury. Alex Chamberlain (talk) 21:39, 27 December 2022 (UTC)Reply

World Port Index database ID

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Can we please add a new field for the World Port Index database ID (WPI ID)? It is a property in Wikidata - Wikidata:Property:P7625, and is from an authoritative source, namely the Maritime Safety Information (MSI) of the U.S. National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA). To quote from its home page: "Provide global maritime geospatial intelligence in support of national security objectives, including safety of navigation, international obligations, and joint military operations."

And just to clarify, the WPI has information on all seaports, military and civilian. Its specific output is fairly comprehensive, and contains much detail which could easily be supported by semantic data - some of which is is already in our template. Furthermore, the WPI ID link could be used as a primary authoritative citation for all port articles - in a similar vein to Airport Information Charts are used as footnote citation in the infobox of airport articles.

This is one of the examples from the Wikidata page. Militum professio scriniarii (talk) 21:40, 27 April 2023 (UTC)Reply