Template talk:ISO 15924 script codes and related Unicode data

Column changes

Unicode: Script description chapters

New: Unicode v13 script-to-chapter external links

About the chapters in Unicode text that describe the scripts (7–23).

• I have added a column that has an external link to the Unicode chapter pdf that describes the script. Like: Georgian (Geok) → Ch 7.7. There are minor diffirences, such as groupings, appearing in the chapters, in the Unicode textbook. Interesting, not fatal.

Improvements are possible, for example re symbols, Z.... scripts (chapters 22, 23; which not all follow the regular "script"-handling), and presentational. -DePiep (talk) 15:48, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

See the extrra column. -DePiep (talk) 01:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Script directionality

Technical, recent overview is at {{ISO_15924/overview-4id}}

I am working on this. Aim is to get these all in Wikidata. Then enwiki pull from there, whith 'overwride' option by enwiki parameter. -DePiep (talk) 21:43, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

• In {{Infobox writing system}} and in this template {{ISO 15924 ... Unicode data}} I have removed {{ISO 15924 direction}}. Directionality is read from Wikidata, and can be set in the page by using |direction=. When set locally, no Wikidata is shown.

{{ISO 15924 direction}} is deprecated and may be outdated (its data may be not updated). -DePiep (talk) 18:51, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Could {{ISO 15924 direction}} be engineered to use Wikidata as its source instead? VanIsaac_WS^cont 19:10, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

@Vanisaac: Smart idea! To consider: outside of the script-self-article, one needs the Wikidata script-qid (this template does, it's automated; in {{Infobox writing system}} it is an optional parameter, e.g., for when the Infobox is used in the language article (like here)). Will editors search for the qid?* Also name change needed ('Script direction'?). Sure we want to prevent any Update maintenance task.

Do you have examples for usage? -DePiep (talk) 20:31, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

• * Editor required to enter the qid, or an ISO id, or a specific English name. -DePiep (talk) 20:49, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

• I would think it should use {{ISO 15924/qid}} to retrieve the Wikidata direction information from the 15924 code. That should match the current function that generates the script directionality from a #switch for each of the 15924 codes. VanIsaac_WS^cont 21:02, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

OK, but that would require the article editor to use the ISO alpha-4 ID (or equivalent). Which is tricky business, they are hard to get right, and these are not that straightfwd eg with East Asian (Chinese) related scripts. I learned ;-). Where would this renewed template be useful? -DePiep (talk) 22:33, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Well, it is currently transcluded to 192 script and alphabet pages, so I would say those articles and other similar would be where the renewed template would be useful. VanIsaac_WS^cont 00:55, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Now you lost me :-(

That 192 was ~400 before I made the changes. IOW, mw is working on it (counting going down slowly, I'm fine). I am waiting to see where the old template actually is being used.

More important: looks like you have no ideas on where & how this new template could be useful. Does not this make your question idle?

My line of thinking is, that Wikidata should take care of the fact (well sourced, international), and any enwiki editors can easily overwrite locally (using |direction=). To me, this is a good line to spend my editing time on. -DePiep (talk) 01:20, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Unicode ranges for this script

Technical, recent overview is at {{ISO_15924/overview-4id}}

Working on this, in Wikidata. Is not the same as "Unicode block" -- at all. Trying to get all ~200 scripts right, then enwiki can pull this from WD + local overwrite option. :-) -DePiep (talk) 21:46, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Row changes

Latn refinement

• About Latin script in Unicode Ch 7.1:

I have started table {{Latn in Unicode}}, to get some overview & control of this topic. It's complicated! ;-) Later more. -DePiep (talk) 21:38, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Merge or split of scripts

• In the Venn diagram area: the table shows scripts merged (like Geok and Geor into U+'Georgian'), and split (like Hira and Kana into U+Hrkt). We are invited to describe those situations well. -DePiep (talk) 22:03, 5 February 2021 (UTC)