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Updated format proposal

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Latest comment: 3 years ago6 comments5 people in discussion

Therequiembellishere, Fulserish, and TheSubmarine, I am proposing that we change the format of this template to something similar to what I've added below, in order to make it slightly less clunky and easy to navigate and read.

Nominee Vote Yea Nay Present Not Voting Result
  Avril Haines
as Director of National Intelligence 		January 20, 2021 84 10
List
 – 6
List
   Confirmed
  Lloyd Austin
as Secretary of Defense 		January 22, 2021 93 2
List
 – 5
List
   Confirmed
  Janet Yellen
as Secretary of the Treasury 		January 25, 2021 84 15 – –   Confirmed
  Antony Blinken
as Secretary of State 		January 26, 2021 78 22 – –   Confirmed
  Alejandro Mayorkas
as Secretary of Homeland Security 		February 2, 2021 56 43 – –   Confirmed
  Pete Buttigieg
as Secretary of Transportation 		February 2, 2021 86 13 – –   Confirmed
  Denis McDonough
as Secretary of Veterans Affairs 		February 8, 2021 87 7 – –   Confirmed

Thoughts? Would you all support something like this? PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:10, 22 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

I'm not opposed to this, but one benefit of the current template is that we can see Senators' votes on nominees next to each other (e.g. Cruz voted no on Haines, but yes on Austin and you can see this clearly on that template). TheSubmarine (talk) 18:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
As much as I do appreciate the thought of changing the format, odds are this would end up being much larger and longer than the current one either way. In addition to this, the previous cabinet confirmation list used the current format as well. I also agree with TheSubmarine on their statement. Although your proposal possesses a much simpler look, I'm a stern believer in proceeding with precedent. However, something similar to this was used in Cabinet of Donald Trump#Confirmation process timeline, which is similar to the format you've proposed. Again though, kudos to you for trying to find a different solution. Fulserish (talk) 18:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
I'll join the "not opposed" group. I would like to find a way to make the current template such that not everything is bold though. --WMSR (talk) 23:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
As I said at Talk:Cabinet_of_Joe_Biden/Archive_2#link_to_senate_vote_tallies_in_Confirmation_Votes_table, why not have the final full senate vote under each cabinet position link to the senate vote page, rather than having it as a separate "Sources" section where the external link to the vote is piped as the the candidates name in a separate list? I think this was how it has been done for previous cabinet articles. I think this would be a good incremental step to what was proposed above. If there are no objections, I will give it a go soon. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
Seeing no objections in 2.5 months, I went ahead and implemented this change. Let me know if there are any issues or concerns. Mdewman6 (talk) 20:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Additional data proposal

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Latest comment: 3 years ago6 comments3 people in discussion

Can we add the summary of the votes cast by the Senators at the last table? Like the one here

Table transcluded from User:CX Zoom/sandbox/2/C.

To see my Complete Proposed Template, please visit User:CX Zoom/sandbox/2. Thank You.

(data correct as of February 1, 2021 18:00 UTC) CX Zoom (talk) 18:17, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

CX Zoom, I like this idea. The votes would be cumulative, I assume, rather than for each row individually? PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
@PCN02WPS: I favour a cumulative one at the very end of the last table, so that visitors don't have to check each of the rows and then again add them up to check who has voted more Yeas & Nays. CX Zoom (talk) 18:37, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
CX Zoom, I didn't put two and two together to realize that this was the last of the template's three rows anyways, so I support your proposal. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:19, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
@PCN02WPS: Thank You.CX Zoom (talk) 09:03, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Sounds good to me, CX Zoom. If there aren't any other objections in the next few days, feel free to put the changes in yourself, since it's not protected. Sdrqaz (talk) 20:48, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Viewing of the table

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Latest comment: 3 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Hey all, I'm thinking about moving around the table a little bit, so that the overall format stays the same, but instead of going 8 people across, it only goes 5-6 across, as the table is getting harder to view horizontally both in web browsing. (The mobile app is a bit easier to swipe from side to side, though.) I figure that since all the rows have the "hide" button, it won't affect the viewing of the columns and senators all that much on the people who do use it. So instead of the format being Row of 8, row of 8, row of 7, it would be row of 6, row of 6, row of 6, row of 5 (plus the overall votes at the end). Can I get a consensus on how you guys view this? I can make a mock-up over here in the talk page if it would help you all to visualize it. Nothing else about the table would be changed under my proposal, just making it a little bit easier to read through the cabinet members. Let me know what you guys think. Thanks a bunch! --Negrong502 (talk) 04:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

I don't see a problem with this at all. If anything, go for it! Fulserish (talk) 19:21, 23 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Support: I too find it difficult to match the correct votes with the correct senators for cabinet designees in the last 2-3 columns and also the vote summary, especially when using desktop view on mobile devices. I guess the current 8×3 format could be replaced with a 6×4 format. CX Zoom (talk) 23:12, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply

Removing "TBD"

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Latest comment: 3 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

What would everyone's thoughts be on removing the "TBD" listed in every cell of all of the votes that haven't yet happened? I feel that the TBD in place of the final vote count suffices, and all of the "TBD"s clutter up the table and make it a bit harder to read. Would anyone object to me removing them? PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:18, 26 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Eric Lander's confirmation

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Latest comment: 3 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Due to the vote being a voice vote instead of a roll call, I've made it so that every senator did not vote, as a voice vote doesn't necessarily mean that all senators were in favour; just that no senator made an objection at the time. Sdrqaz (talk) 16:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

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