Talk:Zoot Money

Dutch TV Fanclub, 1967

Dutch TV 1967

Could this image be Zoot Money's Big Roll Band in May 1967, mistakenly identified as Manfred Mann? Vysotsky (talk) 16:14, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

But there were six of them? And none of them had glasses + beard? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:40, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

I really don't know. But your link to the single Please stay convinced me a bit more. Please stay was released in 1965. One of the band members wears glasses, and it just takes a few weeks to grow a beard. True, they were six, but the band was changing, and a TV gig in the Netherlands could easily be done with the five of them. Vysotsky (talk) 20:15, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

You could be right. No-one in Manfred Mann is credited with playing saxophone? So that could be Kevin Drake, if he was still in the band in 1967? There is no timeline at Zoot Money's Big Roll Band and precious little information about Drake. So that would have to be Money himself on the organ and not Mann. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

This is not a photo of Zoot Money's Big Roll band. On Manfred Mann's Wiki page there is a photo of the band's 1967 line-up, and the faces of Tom McGuinness, Mike Hugg, Mike d'Abo and Klaus Voormann look very similar to the ones in the Dutch TV photo, although why Mike d'Abo is holding a sax is a mystery. The organist's face isn't clear, but he looks nothing like Zoot Money. RedKite (talk) 21:32, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

I tend to agree, as the organist does look like Mann. I guess by the time this photo was taken Paul Jones would have left the band. I'm not sure which models of organ Mann and Money might have played at this time - their articles don't say, and we might need the help of a Hammond aficionado like User:Ritchie333. Then again, more likely that organ was whatever Fanclub had available in the studio? The original source for the photo here does not say very much. So where did the date come from? A list of Fanclub episodes must exit somewhere? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

p.s. Vysotsky, I don't think you should change the description of the image at File:Fanclub1967ManfredMann1.jpg, over in Commons, without some evidence and/or a discussion at the Talk page there. Thanks Martinevans123 (talk) 22:15, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

For the larger picture, look at this page. Vysotsky (talk) 22:25, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

I still see no dates. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:28, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

First line: "Foto's geschoten door A. Vente op de set van Fanclub, op 27 mei 1967", meaning: "Photos shot by A. Vente on the set of Fanclub, 27 May 1967". Vysotsky (talk) 23:07, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

The organ pictured doesn't look like any Hammond because of rocker switches instead of tabs, with no gaps. From a search, it looks like a Conn spinet organ from that period. As those are worth nothing these days, there's not much documentation about them. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh shucks, what a complete con. We ask you over nicely and it's just a Hammond wreck. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC) p.s. any idea which band it is?

I am almost completely positive that this isn't Manfred Mann pictured. I'm certain it is not Klaus Voormann on bass. He was of a more slim character than the bassist pictured. The organist, supposedly the mighty Manfred Mann himself, appears to be missing his trademark sideburn beard. The guitarist, though at first glance looks like Tom McGuiness, appears not to be him. His facial hair does not seem to match up with what he usualy sported, which was something more similar to Mann. He does wear glasses just like McGuiness did, though his choice of guitar seems rather odd as he preferred to play a National steel guitar on most of the group's recordings during the time. The drummer's hairstyle bears almost no similarity to Mike Hugg, not even being the same texture. Hugg's hair was also of a lighter shade. Compare it to a contemporary photo of hugg here The guy holding the sax might be Mike d'Abo though it's hard to tell by the angle and lighting obscuring his face. While I don't believe it is Zoot Money's Big Roll Band, it might be a local Dutch band imitating their heroes and idols Manfred Mann? VirreFriberg (talk) 21:33, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I completely agree -- it is 100% not Manfred Mann, and all of your reasoning is right. I'm a MM superfan and I made a wiki account solely to help get this non-Manfred Mann picture booted off of their Wikipedia page!!

The only person here who looks even comparable to a member in MM is the saxophonist, who does resemble Mike d'Abo -- but Mike d'Abo does not play saxophone. There was no saxophone player in Manfred Mann in 1967.

I'm not sure who this band is, but I can say with complete certainty it is not Manfred Mann. Autumn to May (talk) 17:25, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

OK. I still don't know for sure, but there is enough reasonable doubt. I will change the name of the file and the description to "unknown band", and replace the photo in all Wiki articles. The archive that holds the photo still sticks to Manfred Mann. I hope that one day someone will identify this band in a convincing way. Vysotsky (talk) 20:07, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Death

There are reports on Facebook today of his death, but I have see no other sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

His death, on 8 September, has been confirmed. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)