Talk:Zebedee Nungak/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: Ornithoptera (talk · contribs) 20:50, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: ThaesOfereode (talk · contribs) 15:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ornithoptera. Great article you have here. A couple of fixes and a spot check for the citations and we should have an easy pass. Please see the review below.

@Ornithoptera: If this nomination does not begin to see responses or edits from you in the next few days, I will have to fail it in accordance with WP:GAN/I § N4. ThaesOfereode (talk) 15:16, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi ThaesOfereode! Thank you for taking the time to go through the article, I really appreciate your time and dedication during the review process. This weekend has been quite busy for me due to some personal matters. Since things are starting to free up, I wanted to get back to you and say that I am still here and will be adjusting according to your suggestions shortly. Thank you for your time! Ornithoptera (talk) 20:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I am a bit rusty to the GA review process, so I will be using strikethrough for the completed points and leaving comments for you to get back to regarding my inquiries during the review process. If strikethroughs are not the standard, please let me know and I will rectify them shortly. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

No worries. I just wanted to make sure this article didn't stall in limbo since, barring a major issue in the source review, it should be an easy GA. As for the review process, there aren't many hard and fast rules. The strikethrough strategy is fine by me; just letting me know is enough. Will respond to the comments below. ThaesOfereode (talk) 21:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Going to take a bit of a break in touching up the article for the GA review, I have a handful of tasks to update before it should be fine but I wanted to run them by with you (and for myself when I get back to all of this), to ensure we're both on the same page:

1. Bibliography section renaming
2. Major issue in source review? Did not see it when I was going through your notes but I will attend to it when made clear to me.
3. Images of schools
4. Moving citations in lede elsewhere
5. WP:SEAOFBLUE issue
6. ISBNs of his books through Wiki tool

That should be all the issues I have been made aware of thus far, let me know if there are further and I will add them to the list and address them as they come. Thank you for your quick responses and it has been a pleasure working with you! Ornithoptera (talk) 23:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Re: 2, there is no issue here thus far. This was just me saying: "Assuming the source review goes well (i.e., there is no major source issue), the rest of the page meets or is near meeting GA standards". Sorry again for the poor communication on that front. As for the rest, it looks like these are the only major issues left over before we begin the source review. ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:36, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	See below for prose issues
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	"Bibliography" section should be renamed to "Publications" if a full catalog, "Selected works" if not
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Looks good here, but you have a {{cite journal}} error that needs rectifying.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Source review to follow
	2c. it contains no original research.	Ut supra
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	Ut supra
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Tags are good. Recommend adding more images though. While not strictly mandatory, they are strongly encouraged. Perhaps a picture of the schools. Inuit culture has an images you might find useful.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Ut supra
	7. Overall assessment.	Looks good. Minor prose fixes, a few other fixes and recommendations. Will come back for a source review later.

Prose issues:

• You can do away with the source in the lede per MOS:LEDECITE.

• The sources in the lede note his Inuktitut name, is there a recommended place I should move them to? Ornithoptera (talk) 20:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Recommend the changing the first sentence of the lede to Zebedee Nungak (Inuktitut: ᔭᐃᐱᑎ ᓄᓐᖓᖅ Jaipiti Nunngaqiu) was born in the community of Saputiligait, Nunavik, Quebec, a small village south of Puvirnituq on 23 April 1951 and then using {{multiref}} or {{multiref2}} citebundles (the latter spaces things out more) to describe which sources back up each claim. You can see how I've used citebundles on Erik Sparre if you need guidance. ThaesOfereode (talk) 22:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• , Nungak musing that it was [...] – Recommend changing the comma here to a semi-colon and changing musing to mused. Done
• , later in life, he had to have a lawyer [...] – Semi-colon (or period; either are appropriate) before later. Done
• He, along with two other children, Peter Ittinuar and Eric Tagoona, to finish high school in the south of Canada. – Not a complete sentence. Done
• Recommend linking first instance of judo. Done
• The ramifications would come [...] → Ramifications came [...] – per WP:INTOTHEWOULDS
• Soft recommend to just link snow knife as a pipe with pana. If you insist on keeping it, it needs more than a comma; recommend [...] using a pana, a kind of snow knife. or [...] using a pana ('snow knife'). Also probably a good idea to link bile or, if it exists, something related to the bile sack of seals. Both done
• The Canadian government would later [...] – WP:INTOTHEWOULDS Done
• In 2009, a film detailing their experiences The Experimental Eskimos was made by filmmaker Barry Greenwald. – Need either commas or dashes around the title of the film
• translator and interpreter, and returned to his home [...] – No comma.

• Is this referring to the need for me to remove a comma from that statement or the lack of a comma to make it "translator, and"? Ornithoptera (talk) 20:47, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Sorry, remove the comma here. ThaesOfereode (talk) 22:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

  Done. Just wanted to check in whether "translator and interpreter and returned" can be acceptable prose or should it be re-worded? Ornithoptera (talk) 23:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

  Totally acceptable. Any reader who starts at the beginning of the sentence shouldn't be confused at all. ThaesOfereode (talk) 23:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

  Perfect, that should be my sole question regarding the adjustment so that point should be done. Ornithoptera (talk) 23:17, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• He also worked as an editor for Tukisinaqtuk "Message", [...] → He also worked as an editor for Tukisinaqtuk ('[The] Message'), [...] Done
• Link Québec separatism. Done
• Link Saputik and Inuit Committee on National Issues. Done
• Link Canadian constitution. Done
• Between 1995 and 1998 he was [...] – Comma after 1998. Done
• vice-president – Is this a Canadian English convention? If not, remove hyphen and insert a space. Done
• Link Inuit languages. Done
• revitalization – Does Canadian English use the -isation spelling?

• Seems like Canadian English uses the -ization spelling, per Crown–Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs Canada: The federal government has a responsibility to provide sufficient funds for Aboriginal-language revitalization and preservation found here Ornithoptera (talk) 21:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Works for me. I've struck the note as done.

• One of the activities that he would engage in is by hosting games of Uvangaqqaaq, "me first", he described himself as "the Alex Trebek of the North". → One of the activities that he has engaged in is hosting games of Uvangaqqaaq ('Me First'), he described himself as "the Alex Trebek of the North". – Is Uvangaqqaaq a game show? If so, explain that.

• Uvangaqqaaq, per Margo Pfeiff is a "competitive new Inuktitut word game", that is played in a public space. The Trebek analogy is because he is hosting the game as someone who is familiar with the language. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Can we add competitive Inuktitut word game to the text? Seems important for the reader to know. ThaesOfereode (talk) 22:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

  I have adjusted accordingly per your suggestion and it is now: One of the activities that he would engage in is by hosting games of Uvangaqqaaq ('Me First'), a competitive Inuktitut word game. While doing so, he described himself as "the Alex Trebek of the North". Ornithoptera (talk) 23:05, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

  I noticed the tense issue, I have adjusted it to "has engaged in". My bad, I overlooked that part. Ornithoptera (talk) 23:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

  Perfect. Works for me. ThaesOfereode (talk) 23:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• of which he co-directed. – Remove "of". Done
• Link phrase "riding of Abitibi" rather than just "Abitibi". Kind of an Easter egg otherwise. Recommend also for "seat of Duplessis", but this is less blatant so feel free to push back. I don't see why not, so I have adjusted accordingly.Ornithoptera (talk) 23:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
• Nungak would lose the race → Nungak lost the race – WP:INTOTHEWOULDS Done
• Comma after "Parti Québécois". Done
• Link Liberal Party of Canada and Quebec Liberal Party. Done
• by severing their ties with the other Inuit in Canada, and subsequently – No comma

• Going to assume by your previous statement that this is requesting that I remove the comma, but wanted to double check.Ornithoptera (talk) 23:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Yep, sorry for the confusion on that. Everything's clearer in retrospect, right? ThaesOfereode (talk) 23:12, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

No worries at all! Thank you, your guidance is very well appreciated. I have adjusted accordingly. Ornithoptera (talk) 23:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• Nungak retorted, stating: “[well], it may be true – Remove , stating. Is there a compelling reason to keep [well]? Make sure the quote is not curly as per MOS:CQ.

• Seems like the original quote had "Well" capitalized, so the [well] was to keep it in the sentence without a random capitalized letter mid-sentence. If it is unnecessary, I can remove it. I do understand that in retrospect, the quote is fine without the initial "well." Ornithoptera (talk) 23:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure there's an MOS guideline that says you don't need the single brackets if it's simply a capitalization issue, but this is kind of a moot point since it can just straight up have the capital after the colon. Recommend removing brackets, capitalizing the "W", and keeping the "well"; I think it captures how he's talking that feels weird without it. ThaesOfereode (talk) 23:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I have adjusted it per your suggestion, the current wording is now Nungak retorted: “Well, it may be true... Thank you for the insight on the MOS, it's difficult to navigate them at times. Ornithoptera (talk) 23:19, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Sure thing. The magic of the MOS is that everyone read a different section of it than you did. This stuff just takes practice and a little creativity. Looks good now, but make sure your quotes aren't curly (as per MOS:CQ)! ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

• Link Brussels and Geneva. Done
• Recommend rephrasing by Premier of Quebec Philippe Couillard to avoid a WP:SEAOFBLUE issue. Same with the Lieutenant Governor of Quebec J. Michel Doyon.
• Link Avataq Cultural Institute. Done
• Nungak can play the accordion. – Soft recommend changing to Nungak plays the accordion., since presumably he does play the accordion. Also, link accordion. Done
• Recommend running the ISBNs from his books and running them through this site to integrate them into Wikipedia's citation formats.