Talk:Zac Oyama

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This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... Zac Oyama is a comedian and improv performer with Dropout TV and a regular guest on Game Changer. Dropout is a hugely popular streaming network and Oyama has appeared on or produced most of their regular shows. --67.210.148.206 (talk) 20:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because Zac Oyama stars in hit show Dimension 20 and has wracked up millions of views with his sketches on the collegehumor YouTube channel like "Zac bought a whip" and "don't start a podcast", some of who who've gotten less have their own wikipedias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KyleKrug12 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@KyleKrug12: YouTube is a self-published source with no editorial review. So even if the videos had billions of views, they still won't count towards establishing notability. Basically, all social media sources are automatically disqualified for this same reason. If it was the official social media account of an existing reliable source (like a major news organization), then it would count because those posts are presumed to have followed the same standards of editorial oversight and fact-checking. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 22:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Just to respond to this - the shows referred in the above are productions of Dropout TV, a streaming TV company - not a YouTube channel. 2A0A:EF40:886:9F01:6A97:EB0:78AF:2311 (talk) 01:18, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... it is still under development, and this subject is worthy of inclusion.

Zac Oyama is a main cast member of a streaming television program, Dimension 20, which has its own Wikipedia page. He seems to be the ONLY Dimension 20 main cast member that does not have his own page. He has appeared in 10 of those seasons. Zac did a successful UK tour as a part of the Dimension 20 cast in spring 2024, and will be a part of the cast for a sold-out performance at Madison Square Garden in New York City in January 2025. He was one of the cast members featured in a D&D special issue of Time Magazine in August 2024, titled "The Titans of Tabletop".

In addition to his work on Dimension 20, Oyama regularly appears on Dropout's "Game Changer" program, which was nominated for an Emmy Award in 2024. He also hosts/co-creates the Rotating Heroes podcast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MadZaphine (talk • contribs) 22:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Game Change has not been nominated for an Emmy, the company simply ran a campaign this year to attempt to earn a nomination. This is sort of besides the point though. – OdinintheNorth (talk) 02:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... Zac Oyama is a notable comedian and popular enough for a wikipedia page. --203.10.44.43 (talk) 00:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

A heads-up to any other editors: this article was created following this post on Reddit.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 23:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Zac Oyama

Moved from User talk:Fourthords#Zac Oyama

Hi Fourthords, I'm a fairly new editor and was hoping to understand this edit you made at Zac Oyama. I probably don't understand the requirements for the "notable work" field and that it may need more than "is part of the main cast". However, I find the other changes confusing.

From what I can see, the cited source repeatedly notes that Oyama is originally from Birmingham, Alabama, which would make him American(unless there's another Alabama I'm unfamiliar with). Additionally, you replaced some content with the explanation that the prose is sourced, but I'm unable to find any mention in the ref list of any of the details that were reintroduced to the article (high school track and field, Auburn University, UA's Telecommunications and Film department or Oyama's graduation date). As far as I can tell, there's no source in the article for any of those claims. Is there something I'm missing with citing sources or formatting in BLP articles here? Thanks LaffyTaffer (talk) 03:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Re: Oyama and Alabama, all we know (from a primary source, unfortunately) is that he grew up and attended high school there, and that doesn't tell us his nationality. To definitively say he's American, we need a source that either (a) specifically describes him as "American", or (b) specifies his place of birth (what with birthright citizenship in the United States). Assuming that grew-up/attended school equals nationality is original research.

All the "Personal life" prose that I replaced is from the Reckon podcast, cited at the end of the paragraph. It's that same primary source as the Alabamian material: not ideal, but probably okay. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 12:53, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Gotcha, makes perfect sense, and evidently I failed to actually listen to the podcast episode linked in the article. Thank you for the explanation(and my bad for putting that on your talk page when it was a more appropriate discussion for here) LaffyTaffer (talk) 13:29, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

No worries! I try to keep conversations about specific articles on their talk pages; that way it's easier for any other interested editors to be informed. Don't take that as gospel, though: sometimes people make edits but don't stick around on that page, so you can either give them a nudge or have the whole discussion on their user-talk page if you need to. Hope I helped, and lemme know if I can further! — Fourthords | =Λ= | 13:43, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the removal of Dimension 20 from his notable works, "second claim of notable work from infobox, unsupported by the article body" Would it then be necessary to first expand on Oyama's role on the show before it's listed as a notable work? All of the other "intrepid heroes" have their work on D20 detailed within both the lead and body of their respective articles (for example) so it seems like his part on the show should be given equal recognition provided additional sources get added. Plus(and this is of course personal anecdote), I would argue that most folks know Oyama for his work on D20 more than a Tide Pod skit which I hadn't been aware of until this article.

Additionally, would it maybe be more useful to change the "notable works" field to "known for" like in the pages of other D20 cast members? I'm not sure what policy/requirements exist there and I'm having trouble finding anything about it. LaffyTaffer (talk) 14:38, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

The infobox is just supposed to be a synopsis/nutshell of the sourced and cited material already in the article body. Only one of the sources in the article explicitly speaks to what Oyama is renown/notable/known for, and that's from the Reckon episode where both the interviewer and Oyama discuss how the laundry-pods video made Oyama the face of the Tide Pod challenge. The other sources which mention Dimension 20 don't describe Oyama as being especially 'known for' it or anything to that effect, just that he was involved and well-received. Unless you're a reliable source, how you best know Oyama, or for what you think it's most notable/known for, doesn't meet muster for this article. Am I making sense?

As for whether to use |known_for= versus |notable_works=, I certainly don't object to the former, if you prefer, though it should be expanded a bit to, for example, Writing and performing in<br />[[Tide Pod challenge#Internet meme|''Don't Eat the Laundry Pods'']] or similar. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 16:40, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

All absolutely makes sense, the personal anectode wasn't even worth bringing up lol. When I get the time, I'll try to hunt down some more sources discussing his role on the show. Thanks again for all the help and explanations. :) LaffyTaffer (talk) 17:17, 2 October 2024 (UTC)