Talk:Your Power/Archive 1

Archive 1

Promotional single or normal single?

Is the song actually a promotional single or is it just a full on, normal single? It looks like a standard single to me. Dreeaams (talk) 16:20, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree this is going to cause unnecessary confusion, and we don't need any more of that considering how weird the announcement for this album has been already! The likelihood of the first release after the album's announcement being a "promotional single" is extremely low.--NØ 16:33, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Single: [1].--NØ 18:31, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

RadioUpdater is not verified, but Billboard called the song as a single, so the song is a single. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 18:58, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Whichever one makes you happy, Doggy!--NØ 19:06, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: VersaceSpace (talk · contribs) 03:29, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Starting this tomorrow —VersaceSpace 🌃

Okay, starting this now. What an odd weekend it's been for me, hopefully you've been having a good one! —VersaceSpace 🌃 20:51, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

@VersaceSpace - thanks for the well wishes. An intense typhoon struck my part of the country this weekend, so I was also in a tight situation, what with our electricity being out ... but things have been getting better Replies to all your comments so far below. ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "What did I tell you?"}
_{📝 "Don't get complacent..."} 04:09, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh no! My "odd weekend" had to do with the normal high school dramas and a lackluster movie I saw... but a typhoon is wild. Well wishes to your family and friends, I'll finish this tonight. Oh, and Happy Halloween! —VersaceSpace 🌃 11:28, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Have a Happy Halloween to you and your loved ones as well :) ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "What did I tell you?"}
_{📝 "Don't get complacent..."} 11:48, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Lead and infobox

• In the infobox, I get that Finneas is credited under different names, but it looks a bit odd when written that way here. I don't think it would be OR to establish that these are the same person.
  • Linked Finneas' mononym in the infobox, which should be permitted per MOS:DUPLINK
• The second sentence here is a bit wordy. Maybe saying it was released through the record label would make it flow better? Also the "Happier Than Ever (2021) on April 29, 2021" reads a bit confusingly in my head. Maybe establish the album inclusion after the song's release date?
  • Rewritten the first and second sentences
• ...was praised for its candid songwriting, the emotional impact of its critiques of abuse, and the relevance of its lyrics to contemporary society., points 2 and 3 are more or less saying the same thing
  • I consider them separate because I can say that a song's message moved me emotionally without having to analyze it within the wider context of the sociopolitical climate. Take this Loud and Quiet review: "For all of the foreboding imagery that ran through When We All Fall Asleep, it's not until now, with 'Your Power', that she finally makes the blood run genuinely cold, a tale of sexual predation that cuts to the bone."
• I'm not too keen about the song's opening week performance in the lead...peaks are important but exact metrics may be better if saved for a section.
  • The metrics were there to convey that "the song was commercially successful". People like to see big numbers, and since streams/downloads are a more concrete metric than chart peaks (which measures songs' com. performance relative to each other), the intended message becomes more evident. Those opening-week numbers are impressive, and we don't often get this kind of data from Billboard often! So it seems noteworthy enough for inclusion in the lead.
• In the second paragraph, you never actually say the word "chart", which might be leaving out necessary context for some readers
  • "on the Billboard Global 200 chart" ?
• ...And in the final sentence of that paragraph, "there" is redundant
  • Removed
• She performed the first live rendition of the song, I believe the correct terminology for this would be "debuted the song"
  • Right
• Eilish also performed "Your Power" to promote political causes, such as to protest the US Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. That might read better as Eilish also performed "Your Power" in protest of the US Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. Then I realized that there's no context about what "Roe v. Wade" means (do we expect readers of music topics to be in the know about politics? I mean, most people probably know it anyway, but still). Any thoughts?
  • Added that context and removed the "promote political causes" bit
• I noticed that in the background section's picture, you note when Billie began working on the album, but the recorded= parameter of the infobox above is empty. Are there no dates for this?
  • Nope. And to put 2020 as the recording date there would be OR - HTE was recorded April 1, 2020 – February 16, 2021, and we don't know the full order in which the songs were recorded.

Background and recording

• I see what you're trying to do with the "eighteen-year-old" part, but it's a bit too subtle. Maybe try "at the age of 18"
  • Done
• the 62nd annual grammys can be established in one link
  • Merged the links
• The source does not say anything about her winning five awards for WWAFAWDWG. It says she won four awards, but some of those were awarded to herself or a song.
  • Rewrote in a way that better reflects what the source says (ftr she did get five awards - you're probably referring to the "Big Four" mentioned in the article. She won Artist of the Year, three awards for WWAFA, and SOTY for Bad Guy)
• For the third sentence, try: "Eilish revealed she would begin work on her second studio album in 2020"
  • Done
• the article for which garnered worldwide attention is awkwardly phrased. I also don't like Conde Nast as a source that the article went viral, since they own Vogue.
  • Rephrased and replaced

Music and lyrics

• The Fader is a reliable source, so Darville doesn't require attribution.
  • I explicitly attributed The Fader because it was the only reference I found that called "Your Power" an indie folk song. Every other relevant source placed it under "folk", so they did not explicit referencing.
• Sentence 2: The song was sung in a falsetto vocal register
• Sentence 4: Eilish sings in a soft vocal style
  • Done both
• If you're going to say the song is about men abusing their power here, that should be consistent with the lead (which says "people")
  • Key word "mainly" - the song is about general abuse of power, by anyone.
• there should be a preposition before "third person"
  • It already says talking in third person
• Sentence 2 of paragraph 4: she sings about being gaslight, flows much better imv
  • Agreed - changed

Critical reception

• The reviews template is seldom used for songs. I personally don't find it to be necessary if the scores are already established in the first paragraph of text.
  • Removed

Commercial performance

• Are there any publications that covered the song's...err...significant chart-freefall in its second week?
  • Nothing comes up when I search site:billboard.com/pro "your power" "eilish". The only other sources other than Billboard that talk in-depth about the commercial performance of any song from the album are WP:FORBESCON and we both know they're not usable in GAs. Plus, I doubt it is that significant (?) A lot of songs that enter the chart freefall (sometimes out of the Hot 100 entirely) come the second week. It's not a "Willow" or "Trollz" moment where the freefall is noteworthy of any Billboard coverage because it freefell from the top position out of all places ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "What did I tell you?"}
    _{📝 "Don't get complacent..."} 04:04, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Music video

• Good, is there a reason you opted not to add a screencap from the video?
  • Everything about the video seems explainable by text alone - no one needs a whole screenshot to know how a desert looks, how a person wrapped by an anaconda looks, how a sepia environment looks, etc. ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "What did I tell you?"}
    _{📝 "Don't get complacent..."} 22:56, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Live performances

• In the second picture, while the world tour is titled that way, it doesn't make sense in a sentence.
  • Rewritten
• The same problem is present in prose
  • Done. By the way, since Eilish just announced new 2023 tour dates in Mexico (i really thought it was over ??? demand was that high huh), I had to write "a 2022–2023 world tour" now instead of simply "2022 world tour". I hope that doesn't read too awkwardly.
• "express" → "expressing"
  • I see no reason to change the wording as is? "to express" there functions as an infinitive, i.e. "live performances ... [in order] to express her views"
• Second sentence in the fourth paragraph is worded a bit awkward
  • That should look less clunky now

Credits and personnel

• Good

Charts

• Good

Certs

• Good

Release history

• Good

See also

• Good

Notes

• Good

Refs

• Good

Overall

•  On hold
  • Hello @VersaceSpace, I believe everything above has been addressed. Thank you for swiftly picking up the review! ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "What did I tell you?"}
    _{📝 "Don't get complacent..."} 02:08, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

  No problem! I'll pass this now. —VersaceSpace 🌃 02:10, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 16:29, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that to protest the overturning of Roe v. Wade, Billie Eilish performed a song that criticizes abusive men in power? Source: CNET and People (subject matter). The Independent and The Guardian (protest against Dobbs)
  • ALT1: ... that to protest the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Billie Eilish performed a song that criticizes abusive men in power? Source: People (solidarity for displaced Ukrainians)
  • ALT2: ... that Billie Eilish won a Video for Good award for a song that criticizes sexually abusive men in power? Source: See CNET and People for subject matter; see Good Morning America for award win
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jason Moore (Wikipedia editor)

Improved to Good Article status by Your Power (talk). Self-nominated at 02:45, 5 November 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Your Power: I like the hooks! Article looks fine to me, although I was initially put off by the high percentage that the plagiarism detector gave me. However, it seems to be because of the usage of quotes in this article. Approving. Unlimitedlead (talk) 12:40, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Lots of thanks for the quick review, @Unlimitedlead And I appreciate your opinions on the hooks! ‍ ‍ Your Power 🐍 ‍ ‍ ^{💬 "What did I tell you?"}
_{📝 "Don't get complacent..."} 12:53, 5 November 2022 (UTC)