Talk:Yo

Kriegman, I partially reverted your changes.

• The order of items is pretty subjective, but I'm trying to incorporate the order suggested in Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) (i.e., first the item, then items with disambiguation in the name, then synonyms, then items without articles.). If you disagree strongly, go ahead and change it back, and I'll stop bugging you.
• I removed the external link, because disambiguation pages shouldn't include any extra explanation, just enough to differentiate the items on them. The link in question is already in the article on Yo-Yo Ma, so that's as it should be.

—Michael Z. 2005-08-4 02:07 Z

Michael,

You seemed to misunderstand me. When I said the first two, yo-interjection and yo-yoism were English, I was distinguishing them from other languages. Isn’t Cyrillic another language alphabet system?

Anyway, you also deleted the link to the friendship=yo source, saying that it doesn’t belong on a disambiguation page. But where does it belong then? It certainly doesn’t belong on the “friendship” page. And there is no yo page any longer!

And folks trying to find out what "yo" means are not going to go to the yo-yo ma page and read all the way to the bottom and follow a link where they will find out that according to an interview with yo-yo ma, yo means friendship in Chinese. That info belongs on, or should be linked to a page called "yo."

The problem, as I see it, is that the yo page was a disambiguation page from its very inception. Then on June 17, 2005, in his last edit, 64.115.41.14, removed the disambiguation message. Why, I don’t know.

Then someone got the idea that a disambiguation page was needed and broke up a perfectly good disambiguation page (which is what Yo was all along). Now where does the information about yo = friendship in Chinese go?

The serious problem, as I see it, is the way the page devolved and lost its focus.

Dan

Hi Dan.

Okay, I see your point about the order.

Regarding friendship=yo: the disambiguation page merely exists to help distinguish between WP articles with similar names. It's not an article, and not meant for exploring links, or to present additional background material (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)).

If the concept of Yo meaning "friendship" in Chinese is significant and encyclopedic, then go ahead and start a stub article about it, or add a section to friendship, and we'll link to it from here. If it's just a foreign word, then it belongs at Wiktionary, and we already have a link to wiktionary.

The external link isn't even about "yo", it merely explains how Yo-Yo Ma's parents named him, and mentions in passing that yo means "friendship". We do still say that yo means "friendship" in Chinese here, although that's stretching what the disambiguation page is meant for. —Michael Z. 2005-08-5 05:24 Z

Michael,

I changed the order, as we seem to have reached some agreement on that.

I also put a less conspicuous link in (so that Yo-Yo Ma is not referenced twice like the last time I put it in) to the derivation of "Yo-Yo." I do think someone who is coming to the page trying to find out what yo means and, looking through a bunch of possibilities before deciding which to pursue, might find it helpful to know that yo=friendship in Chinese and that Ma's double Yo name is related to that meaning.

Also, in Chinese, slight changes in intonation change meaning. There may be words in Chinese that would be transliterated "yo" in English that a Chinese speaker, seeing the English transliteration might say, "THAT doesn't mean friend or friendship." Thus, the page describing the derivation might help.

Dan

The page contains a "Friendship in Chinese" line. The information about yo-yo ma should be in that article if anywhere. Fool 15:38, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Per revert

@Bri: Could you refer me to the relevant policy or guideline? I do not see namespaces in Wikipedia:Disambiguation, and I have seen several disambiguation pages where namespaces are linked. I do not mean to be rude in any way shape or form, I just ask a lot of questions. Particularity when I don't understand something. Thank you for your time and please revert this too if you feel it is rude or out of order. Thank you again! XD Endercase (talk) 22:28, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I looked for something that mentioned spaces. I'd fall back primarly on my experience of norms with dab pages but if you want a technicality, it does say "lines which direct the readers to Wikipedia articles on the various topics which might be referenced by the term being disambiguated" in MOS:DABENTRY. Article is (by definition) article space. - Bri (talk) 22:35, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

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