Talk:Yi people

Execution and atrocities

Under the history section it says that Chinese soldiers executed Yi children. The citation for this is a book called "Warriors of Tibet" which appears to be an autobiography. Can this claim of executing children can be found anywhere else?

Matt Florence (talk) 05:24, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Untitled

Needs organising, disambiguation page made, move the writing system and language out into separate article, agreed? - FrancisTyers 04:54, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Agreed! Conrad Leviston 15:33, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Religion

Maybe Liao Yiwu's latest book "God is red" (2011) should be mentioned, since it deals with the Yi and Miao people and their religious believes. --Johannes (talk) 17:02, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Script

Is the script syllabic or pictographic? It can't be both! Or if it can, explain how. 71.243.75.244 14:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 14:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Well...This question is quite complicated. The traditional Yi script is pictographic and somehow shares origin with ancient Chinese characters. But now, we got "Standardised" Yi characters and things get confused...You know... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abeastinme (talk • contribs) 06:46, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Hainan?

Don't some Yi also live in Hainan? Badagnani 10:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

No. the ethnic group you mentioned is Li (黎) which has correlation with ancient Tai. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abeastinme (talk • contribs) 06:34, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Chinese for "Lolo"

Are the Chinese characters for Lolo 咯咯? Badagnani 09:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

罗罗, as in 罗罗宣慰司; or 倮倮 as in a local Chinese slang “不走大路走茅坡，不当汉人当倮倮”. Abeastinme —Preceding undated comment added 06:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC).

"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 16:56, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Photo

I am switching back to the old photo. I don't think someone dressed up in quote representative unquote clothing is better than a group of Yi people in everyday attire. Yunfeng (talk) 15:09, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

This photo I put on was not "dressed up in quote" - no holiday dress, no ceremonial dress. It is precisely the kind of attire for Yi women you see everyday in Liangshan region, Sichuan. This is my first hand experience. The old photo does not show enough characteristics of Yi people. That said, there are huge difference between Yi people in different provinces in China. I personally have seen three completely different kind of (daily) attires. JialiangGao (talk) 22:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the photos are representative... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abeastinme (talk • contribs) 06:42, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Which "aristocrats"?

The article reads: "After the Opium Wars, many Christian missionaries from France and UK visisted the Yi area. Although some missionaries believed that Yi of some areas such as Liangshan was not under the ruling of Qing dynasty and should be independent kingdoms, most aristocrats insisted that Yi is a part of China despite of their resentment against Manchu and Han’s ruling."

Which "aristocrats"? Han or Yi? Or French or British? Historian932 (talk) 04:53, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually the word refers to the nobleman class of Yi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abeastinme (talk • contribs) 06:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Sources seem to have been copied wholesale

The header pretty much says it all, take a look at the china.org.cn location in particular. It's been rearranged somewhat but still has paragraph-long chunks exactly as written. EDIT: It might also be noted that of the sources that function, three of four have PRC official spin, and I would call both questionable in terms of neutral content. The sections (erm) quoted here are more towards neutral but concepts like PRC "liberation" still get through. The fifth source yields a 404 error. I would mark some of this in the article text but am relatively new to formatting the articles in detail and don't know how to insert the "citation needed", "dubious", etc. tags. Vaaarr (talk) 08:56, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Number of ethnic by county of PRC

Hi! Could you find Number of yao, dong and yi people by county of PRC like there: Miao_people#By_county ?--Kaiyr (talk) 14:32, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

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Wikilinks for broad groupings

Hello,

most broad groupings are lacking a wikilink. What should be done? Kind regards, ––Sarcelles (talk) 10:12, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

I suggest a wikification of the entire section. However, I'm not knowledgeable on its content.

Kind regards, Sarcelles (talk) 18:41, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Nationalism and separatism

Please add about Yi Nationalism and separatism--Kaiyr (talk) 07:35, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Lô Lô people

Are these the same people in two countries? If so, should there be one article or two? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:34, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Yi people is a umbrella term defined by China, (recognized as one of its 56 minority ethnics) for a group of people (Nuosu, Niso, Lolo...) who speak different languages (the Loloic languages). The article scope is about the "Lo Lo" people in Vietnam. The Lo Lo people is one of Vietnam's official 54 ethnic groups, but they are not the same as all other Yi in China. They have distinct culture (clothings, customs...) and speak a local language only found the region. In China they are classified as Yi. There should be a separate article because 1/ it describes the ethnic group in Vietnam (same way we have Korean people, Koryo-saram and Koreans in Vietnam articles) and 2/ they are not quite the same people (only by Chinese definition). Same as Tajiks of Xinjiang are Sarikoli and should not stand in the same article as Tajik people. Sgnpkd (talk) 17:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

By LingLass on his talk page:

1) According to Edmondson and Gregerson (2007)

“In Vietnam the Tibeto-Burman groups are all speakers of the Lolo-Burmese subgroup and include the Hà Nhì, Sila, Cóng, Phù Lá, Lô Lô, and La Hu. These languages all have monosyllabic isolating word structure with SOV word order.

6.2.1. The Lô Lô Group The Lô Lô (population about 1500) are found in the northeastern sections of Hà Giang and western Cao BAng. There are, in fact, three different forms of this language: (i) the Black Lô Lô, (ii) the Red Lô Lô, and (iii) the Flowery Lô Lô, with these names taken again from the clothing of their women. There has been until recently little information about this language group. The Lô Lô of Vietnam have uvular stops and are allied with groups just across the border in China whose languages are very similar (cf. Edmondson 2005).” p. 744. (Jerold A. Edmondson and Kenneth J. Gregerson. “The Languages of Vietnam: Mosaics and Expansions.” Language and Linguistics Compass 1/6 (2007): 727–749.)

2) A group speakers of this larger language family are the Yi, who live in China. There is a dissertation on some of these languages that are spoken in China: (Lama, Ziwo Qiu-Fuyuan (2012), Subgrouping of Nisoic (Yi) Languages, thesis, University of Texas at Arlington.) It’s archived at the UTA repository here: http://hdl.handle.net/10106/11161.

3) This language family contains quite a number of languages. See for example the page “List of lesser-known Loloish languages: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/List_of_lesser-known_Loloish_languages Sgnpkd (talk) 17:32, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Other religions

It says: "The most important god of Yi Buddhism is Mahakala".

Mahakala is a wrathful manifestation of the bodhisattva Avalikiteshvara, also known as Kuanyin. If Mahakala is a god, then Yi Buddhism is unlike other kinds of Buddhism, in which bodhisattvas are not considered to be gods.

I tried to check the citation at the end of the section, but it was 404-compliant, so I removed it, and tagged the section as uncited. I now consider this part about Yi Buddhism to be both questionable and uncited; I may return and delete it (or at least, this particular claim).

MrDemeanour (talk) 13:08, 15 April 2023 (UTC)