Talk:Wirral Hundred

Assessment Report

1. Article needs to be massively expanded.
2. It should make use of sections.
3. Try to remove the list.
4. References and Citations are crucial for wikipedia, and so these must be added as the article is expanded. Make sure that as many as possible are "in-line" citations.(See WP:References, WP:V, and WP:CITE for guidance.)

 DDStretch  (talk) 18:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Possible Merger?

I'm wondering just how useful this article is, as it seems mostly to be a list of settlements that were in the Hundred, and little else. It could be easily merged into Hundreds of Cheshire as it stands. What do people think of this suggestion?  DDStretch  (talk) 12:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Agree with merger proposal, as nothing significantly lengthy has been added for some time. Like you say, it's made up mostly of a list. Perhaps if/when this topic is significantly expanded it might warrant an article of its own. At the moment, this is the only Cheshire Hundred with such an article. Snowy 1973 (talk) 12:46, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I became interested in writing about the Cheshire hundreds some time ago, and Hundreds of Cheshire is an article I started. I initially thought that an article dealing with each would be a good idea, but the more I read about them, the more I realised that the approach that you have described would be the better one. That is, start off with an article dealing with them all, and only if information about one comes extensive enough, split it off into a new article. We can put in place redirections for each hundred that will point to the overall article, so that any future split will be a relatively painless job. If we do this, I suggest that we use the new hundreds, as there is too much spelling variations in the names of the old (more numerous) Domesday Hundreds. Hundreds of Cheshire will be gradually expanded by myself over the next few weeks (I have long-term commitments to Diocese of Chester and Ancient parishes of Cheshire that will compete, in turn, for my limited editing time)  DDStretch  (talk) 13:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

List of villages

Have removed the wikilink to Leighton, as it went to a village in the Crewe area of Cheshire. According to the reference, Leighton was a village in the Hundred of Wirral. Where it is/was or what it might be called now, I'm not sure - perhaps Larton? The list of villages also could do with further referencing to specify exactly when in time it refers to. Are these the only villages that were ever considered part of the hundred? Can anyone recommend some useful sources to help expand this article? Snowy 1973 (talk) 18:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

The boundaries of the hundred changed at least once after the Domesday survey. Before, as Wilaveston Hundred (now largely accepted to be the Hundred as it existed at or before Domesday) it was much larger, and included villages such as Guildon Sutton which was later in Broxton Hundred. The date at which the changes occurred is not clear (I tried to narrow it down in Hundreds of Cheshire, but I couldn't get it very specific.) I still am not convinced at this point that a simple list of villages in the Hundred at some unspecific time in the past really can justify it as a separate article, beyond just a "List of..." type article. However, if significant additional information can be found that fits most obviously into this article rather than another, all well and good.  DDStretch  (talk) 19:38, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

There are some books which would provide some information, although the majority of them are so old that if the article went for GA or FA status, their status as reliable sources may get questioned (it has happened to other books, some even not so old in what I have seen):

• Ellison, N. (1970). The Wirral Peninsular. (according to a blurb I saw for this book, it has the sentence: "Historically, some places within the Chester District (such as Ledsham, Puddington and even Saughall) have also been considered part of Wirral."
• Omerod, G. (1882). "History of the County Palatine of Cheshire. (in three volumes)
• Sulley, Phillip (1889). The Hundred of Wirral.
• Young, H.E. (1909). A perambulation around the hundred of Wirral.
• The various Victoria County Histories for Cheshire.

I have the Omerod volumes somewhere on a DVD (which I can't locate just at the moment), and I have the Cheshire Victoria County Histories, though the volume that would deal with the Wirral Hundred is yet to be published, and has no indication that it will ever be written at the moment. The others are sometimes available from second hand book shops, though their price can be a bit prohibitive. I hope that helps with some ideas for sources.  DDStretch  (talk) 19:51, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for responding and providing some likely source material, though take your point about the age of those books Agree that unless some significant verified information is added to this article, then merger looks even more likely, being currently not much more than a list of villages. With good intentions, I've kept coming back to this article, having tried (usually unsuccessfully) to source information about the subject and expand the article. Unfortunately I usually end up leaving it in much the same state.

The Phillip Sulley book I've come across before a while back at Birkenhead Central Library, which one day I'd like to visit again. Amazed about the blurb for the Ellison book as it's identical to a sentence in the intro of Wirral Peninsula! Cheers. Snowy 1973 (talk) 21:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)