Talk:Wireless ad hoc network

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My dictionary (OEDE) does not hyphenate ad hoc. Does yours?--Adoniscik (talk) 23:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Redirect from [Ad hoc network]

To quote Peer-to-peer: "Peer-to-peer networks are typically formed dynamically by ad hoc additions of nodes. In an 'ad hoc' network, the removal of nodes has no significant impact on the network. The distributed architecture of an application in a peer-to-peer system provides enhanced scalability and service robustness."

The Peer-to-peer article is quite clearly talking about ACTUAL ad-hoc networks, while Ad hoc network falsely leads to wireless ad hoc networks

If noone shouts STOP - I will change the redirect (again).

19:27, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Ad hoc wireless network and Wireless ad hoc network

What is the difference between the two topics Ad hoc wireless network and Wireless ad hoc network? In my opinion it's just the wording. 213.183.84.168 (talk) 14:24, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

I think, these should be merged (I do not know which title to use, though). -Yyy (talk) 12:57, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Indeed it is a good idea for these two topics to be merged, to reduce confusion. I suggest leaving “Wireless ad hoc network” and reducing “Ad hoc wireless network” to a reference to the other topic only. --Marius 09:34, 20 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MariusG (talk • contribs)

In regard to the merge and "Redirect from Ad hoc network" comments above, I think a merge of both articles to just 'Ad hoc network' without the 'wireless' bit would be consistent with other articles. CJ ^{Drop me a line! • Contribs} 14:47, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

802.11

802.11 series of wireless computer network standards specifies ad-hoc mode, where nodes connect to each other, directly. (This mode of operation is unpopular because of many reasons) Article Wireless LAN refers here. This article needs at least a paragraph about ad-hoc mode in 802.11 networks. -Yyy (talk) 12:57, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Info related to Windows 7

Was wondering about the technical info behind how Windows 7 manages the sessions in an ad hoc connection. Suppose it's more a networking question, but specific sections on creation of these networks on platforms could be useful. Shaded0 (talk) 19:30, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Merge Mobile ad hoc network

Both articles claim to be about both topics. There's no clear differentiation between wireless and mobile. ~Kvng (talk) 15:22, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

• Support merge. The fact that the lead of Mobile ad hoc network includes "also known as wireless ad hoc network" is a complete giveaway. Also support the direction of merge: wireless is a broader concept than mobile. Narky Blert (talk) 07:42, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

This confusion exists in the public mind because the corporations hawking unmanaged mobile solutions to the unwashed don't wish to be too precise about what they're delivering in the mobile space. See my vote below. — MaxEnt 19:30, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

• Strong but flexible oppose. The core fault lines in computer science are not always self-evidence to the uninitiated. Processes without memory: typically easy to analyze. Processes with memory: Arrrgh! No upper complexity limit. For processes without memory, you don't need to ask any questions that rhyme with "how did this get here?" In the study of concurrency you always have to ask "how did this get here?" and there's rarely any shortage of new and surprising answers. Radio networks are invariably concurrent. The next fundamental hardship involves whether you're working in a largely closed domain (long relationships with most of your peers, few new peers admitted membership) or a largely open domain (transient relationships with your peers, who appear out of nowhere, with possibly any prior track record). The second side of this is the considerable freight of the word "mobile". Fixed ad hoc: opportunistic affiliation within a fairly fixed or knowable population. Mobile ad hoc: transient trust relationships of convenience based on what, exactly? (Invariably not nearly enough, so these technologies are almost always consumer facing, because no self-respecting corporation goes around flashing their premium branded underwear over their baggy bottoms). Mobile almost always brings to the party more than an order of magnitude increase in suspension of disbelief. The gulf here is roughly as large as the difference between a medium-sized town, where most people know most people, but the day to day cliques are flexible to a small city, where hardly anyone knows anyone, and the automatic "hello" is replaced by clamping down on extraneous eye contact, lest you be misidentified as a stalker or a pedophile. Treating mobile as a bedroom community of the large urban center Ad Hoc invites distortion of these fundamental cultural fault lines. — MaxEnt 19:18, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

For extra clarity, what I was thinking about in the back of my mind was a startup company (probably long since failed) where the idea was to build a radio into the bulbs used in public street lights. This was definitely an "ad hoc" system in that the radios figured out their own topology and coped with variability in available radios and transmission quality all on their own, but it definitely wasn't mobile, and had few of mobile's extra problems. — MaxEnt 19:25, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

I actually arrived here trying to figure out AWDL after reading Apple's AWDL Protocol Plagued By Flaws That Enable Tracking and MitM Attacks. This wasn't what caused me write "unmanaged for the unwashed" (comment to first vote). It was merely yet another eye roll as a yet another trillion-dollar-wannabe pawns off egregious wireless engineering in the consumer space. If Apple can't get mobile right, who can? — MaxEnt 19:49, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Support merge per nom, and wonder whether MaxEnt might have adopted the role of the pied piper, wandered into a philosophical quagmire into which we might also sink ... Back to business: terms are superficially synonymous and differences can be discussed on one page. Klbrain (talk) 16:41, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Support merge the articles are overlapping and 'mobile' is a sub topic of wireless. --Kgfleischmann (talk) 18:33, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 03:36, 17 September 2019 (UTC)