Talk:Wilton Ivie

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Notability still needs establishing.

While this person is likely to meet at least some notability requirements, this article still needs evidence of notability per WP:GNG, WP:BIO or WP:ACADEMIC. Secondary, reliable sources that describe Ivie are needed to keep this from being simply a coatrack on which to hang a list of spider names. The extensive list of species described may be more appropriately placed at the author's page on Wikispecies: Wilton Ivie. If Ivie is in fact notable, then there should be published material on him. Building a narrative out of primary sources is original research. --Animalparty-- (talk) 02:43, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

You may not have heard of the Technocracy movement but he was a main member and one of their official speakers and writers. It was popular in the thirties and forties. For that alone and his writing there he is notable. He published many essays there in his own name. He also is famous in 'spider' circles, where he did extensive writing, researching and discovering.

Just a really cursory search on him reveals lots of influence [1] with people bringing him up as a mainstream essayist on ecology

Transient Theory and the Olduvai Gorge Robert L. Hickerson, 1997

“Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency.” Biologist Wilton Ivie, The Ecology of Man 1948, wrote that North America can no longer be occupied by a high energy civilization operating on a haphazard basis. We must plan for survival.” He argues that the current system of resource mismanagement is perpetuated by The Price System (the world’s money systems), which seeks to deplete our limited fossil fuels at the maximum rate that will yield a ‘fair return’ in the way of profits. from an article he wrote in 1948. Earl King Jr. (talk) 14:00, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

From notability guidelines in the above links, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." and notability requires verifiable evidence. Please help add verifiable evidence. The Hickerson reference may help establish evidence of notability, if the full source (essay? book?) discusses and contextualizes Ivie's writings, but that alone (or at least what I can glean from the abstract in the link) may not be enough to demonstrate Ivie was a significant figure; merely that he wrote an essay from which at least one person quoted. If Ivie was so influential in the Technocracy movement, or biology, then surely other people must have written about him, and more than one non-trivial secondary source is all that is needed to demonstrate notability {e.g. a book or journal article that simply says "Ivie was a prominent spider taxonomist and/or major player in the Technocracy movement for these reasons..."). Otherwise, his claim to notability may just as well be only the unpublished opinions of a select few. I'm not trying to diminish the historical importance or character of this man, but long story short, a scientist doing what scientists do, and a writer doing what writers do, is routine and non-noteworthy unless other people have noted it. I would love to see references (and I am searching) that justifies Ivie's claim to notability.--Animalparty-- (talk) 02:35, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

My guess is that all of the publications with this guy Ralph Vary Chamberlin all those pieces, insure his historic place and notability. I have not spent a lot of time looking but the article seems sourced pretty well now and no doubt more things can be found. I think his main notability could be from his Technocracy link where he was part of the organization and wrote extensively for them. Earl King Jr. (talk) 13:55, 30 July 2014 (UTC)