Talk:Wembley Stadium (1923)

New Main Picture

The picture of Wembley Stadium at the top of the page is quite old, there are many newer, better images (without cranes) on the www.wembleystadium.com website.

Maybe it should be changed for this one? http://www.wembleystadium.com/NR/rdonlyres/1D77FDBA-BB22-4257-A7CC-1BA2CE95E27B/97168/YQ3W3331_MainImage.jpg

Sky News also have an exclusive article with lots of new photos: http://news.sky.com/skynews/picture_gallery/picture_gallery/0,,70141-1229419-2,00.html

-Adam

Problem in 'Redevelopment' section

What does the long number in: 'circular section 7 metre internal diameter steelwork 422353647768 unex lattice arch' mean?

Who knows... problem solved? Deano 20:19, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Picture dates

The pictures of the Stadium (presumably artist's impressions) bear a date 2006. Given that the stadium is not finished, the picture of the interior with the fans waving England flags cannot be real and must be simulated. This should be stated. This also means that (presumably) the mock-ups were prepared prior to the commencement of the rebuilding project (Just checked and the image was uploaded in 2005). So the date must be wrong. I have altered the page accordingly. DavidFarmbrough 13:40, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

New Article

Should the Old Wembley and New Wembley articles be separate? They're different buildings, one was torn down to make the other. It's like Busch Stadium, all were the home of the St. Louis Cardinals, but they're distinct buildings with distinct articles. Bwysock 17:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I would say so. The old version is distinctly different and has its own history and so on. We could migrate a lot of info to Empire Stadium, Wembley and just keep the rebuilding stuff here?  sʟυмɢυм • т • c  17:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Yup. When I came to this article I expected more distinction. Seegoon 18:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I also agree. I added a {{splitsection}} tag to the "Redevelopment" section, so hopefully more people will take notice, and be for the new article move. Crashintome4196 04:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Would certainly confuse certain readers and much easier with the proposed new name.

Nuggets 16:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Add my name to this list who say there should be two separate articles. Patken4 20:35, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes. They should each have their own article, as they are quite different from each other. Koyanagi 04:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I've done the split. The existing stadium surely takes precedence over the demolished one. I didn't do any serious copyediting, so both articles need cleaning up. --Dtcdthingy 02:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Capacity

No mention of the capacity of the old stadium before it closed?

Muse

The citation listed for Muse being the first band to play at the new stadium simply states that they are the first to be announced, does anyone have a clearer source on this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.9.145.58 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC). Muse were indeed the first BAND to play the new Wembley BBC website

The HAARP DVD was recorded there, not at the old Wembley as implied by the current listing. The first musical event was a concert by (I think) George Michael. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.138.172.77 (talk) 19:41, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

What?

"When complete, the new Wembley Stadium will be the largest stadium in the World."

No, it won't. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 169.253.4.21 (talk) 17:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

I think what is meant is it is the largest stadium in the world with every seat under cover.

1924?

Wembley Stadium (1924) is a very misleading title since it held the 1923 FA Cup Final. I can't see where 1924 came from.  sʟυмɢυм • т • c  18:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

It was built for the Empire Exhibition[1] and was officially opened on April 23 1924 at the opening ceremony by King George V.[2][3] - Foxhill 18:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

According to two of those sources, it was built for the Empire Exhibition which was officially opened on April 23, 1924. The exhibition was officially opened in 1924, not the stadium. The sources also say ground was broken in 1922 and it took 300 days to complete. I am more unconvinced of 1924 in the title.  sʟυмɢυм • т • c  19:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Well I guess it's the article itself that has the dates wrong (especially the infobox). It's not like you can't fix it yourself. --Dtcdthingy 22:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Err, slightly strange this didn't get resovled - is there support for moving it to 1923 then? --User 56 14:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I would prefer Wembley Stadium (1923). Hopefully a consensus will agree with me.  Sʟυмgυм • т • c  18:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I think it should definitely be moved to Wembley Stadium (1923). It doesn't matter when the event it was built for took place, the stadium itself was opened in 1923 so that is what it should say in the title. Dbam 18:12, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Change the name. The date should be of first use, not official opening. What if they'd not bothered with an official opening, and done one 20 years later? --Dweller 10:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

"Wembley Stadium (1923)" or "Wembley Stadium I" or "Wembley Stadium (original)" would all work. Wahkeenah 11:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Renamed to Wembley Stadium (1923). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miremare (talk • contribs)

Demolition

As you know, the old Wembley Stadium got demolished to make way for a new stadium. What was the people's reaction? I didn't realize Wembley had 2 stadiums, one which is the 1924-2000 one and one to be made under that "Wembley stadium" name. I have heard that Brian May and Roger Taylor were saddened by the loss of the old Wembley towers. Sjones23 04:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

First sentence a little confusing

"Wembley Stadium was a football stadium located in Wembley, London, England." - This just assumes that there is no wembley stadium anymore, anywhere.

Perhaps this should be changed to something like "Wembley Stadium is a football stadium located in Wembley, London, England, the original structure of which was demolished in 2000 and reopened in 2007."

Thats a little confusing too actually, but the version on at the moment is just as bad.

Tommyhaych 13:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

How about "The original Wembley Stadium was a football stadium located at the site of the new Wembley Stadium in Wembley, London, England." Dbam 09:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll buy that, or something like it. Grant 07:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Links

As the article about the original stadium has now been renamed Wembley Stadium (1924), there are countless articles with links to Wembley Stadium which now point to the article about the new stadium, arther than the old one. Is it possible for these links to be fixed (by robot?) so that they are pointed to the correct article? Daemonic Kangaroo 19:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so. How will a robot know whether a link is referring to old or new Wembley? It isn't so bad, since the new stadium's article has the disambiguation note at the top of it.  Sʟυмgυм • т • c  12:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

owner and name

It does say it was called Empire Stadium but it says originally known as but it was always oficially called that. And i dont think anything is said about it not being owned by the FA but by a compay called wembely. They could hire the stadium out to who ever they wanted. A team in the 30's hired it out to look good so they could get promoted (it failed).

History of development

Couldn't we have a time-line of developments to the stadium? I seem to remember in the 1930's both ends were uncovered, and then in the 1980's the remaining terracing was replaced with seats. A history of stadium changes, with dates, reasons and costs etc, seems to me to be a glaring omission from this article. Thoughts? --Crackerjack71 (talk) 15:19, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Symbolic Reference

In the article you mentioned the following: "Wembley was the first pitch to be referred to as "Hallowed Turf", with many stadia around the world borrowing this phrase."

While this may be true, there is another famous symbolic reference to the great stadium.

Having been a most ardent England fan for the last 33 years, Wembley (the old one) was most famously (and proudly) referred to by many football writers and commentators as "the Mecca of Football". Any symbolic description of Wembley, to me, "esoterically", is rather incomplete and not worthy without this reference.

I cannot precisely quote the relevant articles or the commentators, as I have read probably hundreds of football magazines and listened to the commentaries of maybe as many games. Any true fan of English football of many decades will bear witness to the reference to Wembley as "the Mecca of football". Salimtufail (talk) 15:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

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Michael Jackson Record

"During Michael Jackson's Bad Tour in 1988, seven sell-out concerts were staged at Wembley which included five in a row, and two at a later date. Each concert had an attendance of 72,000 people. According to the Guinness Book of World Records Jackson set a new world record with 504,000 people attending the seven total concerts. These seven concerts were highly anticipated and created huge media attention. A further five sell-out concerts followed in 1992 during his Dangerous Tour and his three shows in 1997 during his HIStory Tour brought total tickets sold to over 1 million. Until the demolition of the 1923 stadium, this record had not been beaten."

This whole section is unreferenced and its notability is questionable. Additionally, it is unclear what record is referred to (is it "most attendance in seven concerts"? "Most attendance by one artist at one venue"? "Most attendance per night average by one artist at one venue"?) The section is tacked on at the bottom of the article, making me think that one person may have just boldly stuck it on. Personally, I vote for removal, but if anyone wants to clean it up a bit please do.

-M.Nelson (talk) 03:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Concerts

Check some of the concerts purported to have taken place at Wembley "Stadium". I am almost certain Fleetwood Mac's 1988 run of shows was at the Arena, not Stadium. (In 1990 they played one show at stadium) Electric Light Orchestra's 1978 shows were most likely at the Arena (Empire Pool) as documented on their live concert video. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.66.28.214 (talk) 16:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

i agree. Also, u cut muse from the list as it was at new wembley - the entry even said so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.71.176 (talk) 03:01, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

League cup final 06/07.

"Despite this, the Millennium Stadium was still used for the League Cup final during the 2006-07 season." Is this really necessary in the introduction? It is hardly important enough to justify inclusion.

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—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wgdbradley (talk • contribs) 20:21, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

NME Poll Winners Concerts & Greatest Hits Live (Rip It to Shreds)

I believe that the NME Poll Winners Concerts of the 1960s were held at the Empire Pool (Wembley Arena), not Wembley Stadium. In addition, I believe that The Animals album Greatest Hits Live (Rip It to Shreds) would have also been recorded at Wembley Arena, and not Wembley Stadium. Can anyone confirm this? Best Regards. DynamoDegsy (talk) 13:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

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In the article you mentioned the following: "Wembley was the first pitch to be referred to as "Hallowed Turf", with many stadia around the world borrowing this phrase." Having been a most ardent England fan for the last 33 years, Wembley(the old one) was most famously (and proudly) referred to by most football writers and commentators as "the Mecca of Football". Any description of Wembley, to me, "esoterically", is incomplete and not worthy without this reference. I cannot precisely quote the relevant articles or the commentators, as I have read probably tens of thousands of football magazines and listened to the commentaries of maybe as many games. Any true fan of English football will bear witness to the reference to Wembley as "the Mecca of football". Thank you. Salimtufail (talk) 15:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

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Why was it demolished and replaced?

It seems odd this is not mentioned. It was the main reason I turned to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pawebster (talk • contribs) 07:58, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Agree. I got here from a link to "old Wembley stadium", not realizing there was an older version, and could not find the reason the first stadium was demolished. Sadly, I need to revert to Google. 85.250.238.10 (talk) 11:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Well, perhaps nobody really understands: https://failedarchitecture.com/how-the-british-buried-their-imperial-history-along-with-wembley-football-stadium/. 85.250.238.10 (talk) 11:24, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Stadia → stadium?

This sentence in the intro doesn't make sense: "in recognition of its status as the world's best-known football stadia". The "its" implies it's singular, "stadia" is plural. Surely this ought to be either "as the world's best-known football stadium" or "as one of the world's best-known football stadia"? 188.172.154.52 (talk) 06:59, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Fixed. In the context of the quote by Pelé, changed to "stadium". --Blurryman (talk) 18:01, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Last competitive club game

The article states "The final competitive club match there was the 2000 First Division play-off final ..." and "The last club match of all was the 2000 Charity Shield ...".

However, the FA Community Shield article says that "it is the first competitive game of each top-flight English football season". So is the Community/Charity Shield a competitive match or not? --Jameboy (talk) 17:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)