Talk:Welsh toponymy

Welsh exonyms

Welsh describes more places than Wales alone can contain. Is their mileage in a "Welsh exonyms" article, to list the Welsh name for places across the world? There are "exonyms" articles for many languages, including "English exonyms". It could not aspire to be as detailed nor as generally good as this article though.

LG02 (talk) 22:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me! Several are mentioned in the "Welsh names for other places in Britain and Ireland" section but there are many more. -- Maelor  22:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Done, if none too well. Please edit away! LG02 (talk) 13:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Good move! I may add a few more when time permits. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:33, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Abergele

The name "Abergele" may translate to "mouth of the Gele", but the town itself is three or four miles away from its confluence with the Clwyd by Towyn. I think the article should either explain what the name actually means or use a different example. Aoeuidhtns (talk) 19:19, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know the area that well, but from looking at the map it seems to me that, between the town of Abergele and the Clwyd, the river flows parallel to the sea behind what I assume are coastal dunes. The dune system and any alluvial land behind it may well have developed after the place of Abergele was named - at that time, before sea levels fell and/or land was reclaimed, the river may well have flowed into the sea at Abergele. That's my guess, and locals would know the position better than me. My reference for the name is Prof. Hywel Wyn Owen, "The Placenames of Wales" - an unimpeachable source - who states that the name is found as early as the 9th century, and that gele is a dialect form of gelau meaning spear or blade, used as a description of a river cutting through the land, or possibly because the river waters flashed like a blade. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:37, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I concur with Ghmyrtle. The name is ancient and well-attested and whatever the geological history of the river may be, aber means 'river mouth'/'estuary' (indubitably) and gelau can be explained as noted; the etymology is 100% sound. Enaidmawr (talk) 15:32, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

penrhyn

Are you sure the interpretation is correct? For example, I always understood Penrhyncoch as 'headland of the red stream' - rhyn deriving from the old Celtic word for stream, attested in Rhine, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.196.185.46 (talk) 17:35, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Viking placenames

We should add a section on Viking- or Norse-derived place names. These are mostly or all coastal, and I think they include:

• Anglesey
• Bardsey
• Gateholm
• Great Orme
• Sker Point
• Skokholm
• Skomer
• Swansea
• Tusker Rock
• Worms Head

Can we find a good source to cite? Verbcatcher (talk) 04:05, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

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Bryste

Is this information right? The English Bristol is Saxon, from Bridge-stow - the (holy) place at the ridge (of the Avon in this case) but the l suffix is a feature of Bristol dialect going back a long way. But the Welsh Bryste obviously was adopted before the l suffix had been widely adopted. So how can it be from modern commercial contacts, as the article says? — Preceding unsigned comment added by OldTownAdge (talk • contribs) 10:49, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

The article does not refer to "modern" commercial contacts. Trading relations between Bristol and the Welsh ports is likely to date back for many centuries if not millennia, from long before the "modern" spelling of Bristol was standardised. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:41, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

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Anyone fancy adding these to External Links: English - Providing Place Names https://rcahmw.gov.uk/providing-place-names/

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Place names only in English

I am wondering whether under the section Welsh_toponymy#Relationship_between_Welsh_and_English_place-names it should be noted that many Welsh places do not seem to have a Welsh equivalent, such as Crundale, Pembrokeshire, or have a Welsh name phonetically (and perhaps artificially?) close to the English name, such as Woodstock, Pembrokeshire (Wstog). I'm thinking of south Pembrokeshire particularly because that's the area I know, but there may be other parts of Wales where this occurs. I have not been able to find anything published on this. Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:54, 8 December 2018 (UTC)