Talk:Welcome to the Family (2018 TV series)

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Clarín Kingsif (talk) 05:54, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:35, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

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Melani Olivares in 2016

• ... that though actress Melani Olivares (pictured) is from Barcelona, Catalonia, Welcome to the Family in 2018 was the first Catalan-speaking role she was ever offered? Source: (Catalan) "Entre els reptes d’aquesta nova ficció hi ha el fet de rodar en català, assegura Olivares, que recorda: “Vaig marxar de Barcelona fa 23 anys i no feia feines en català perquè no m’havien trucat mai abans”." (English: "One of the challenges of this new show is recording in Catalan, says Olivares, who recalls: "I left Barcelona 23 years ago and I did not work in Catalan because I had never been offered before."") [1]
  • ALT1:... that Welcome to the Family received Catalan network TV3's highest viewing figures in over a decade for a first episode? Source: (Catalan) "Feia deu anys que una sèrie de TV3 no s'estrenava amb uns registres tan positius. Cal retrocedir fins al 15 de gener del 2008..." (English: "It has been ten years since a TV3 series premiered with such positive records. You have to go back until January 15, 2008") - show premiered on January 22, 2018 [2]

• Reviewed: Cozzi porcelain
• Comment: Other hook suggestions welcome!

5x expanded by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 02:20, 24 December 2019 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Great article! Shows a lot of work. Both hooks are fine. A few issues that could be improved, but don't affect DYK:

• It seems to overuse direct quotes in my opinion, for example: Freixas had originally said that he wanted the show "to have about three seasons",[7] or the character was made bigger "by charging her with even more comedy".[8] - surely we can rephrase those without losing either authenticity or meaning? I would rephrase most of the current quotes.
• This quote overuse emphasizes the questionable translations - Google Translate, perhaps? - of which the second one there is a prime example. "by charging her with even more comedy" is just not a phrase any native speaker would use. "Expanding her character's comedic role" or "giving her more funny lines", perhaps. I can't resist linking English As She Is Spoke - this is not quite that bad, but on the way there, and should be kept in mind by anyone who thinks that dictionary translation is sufficient. Rephrasing most of the quotes will help here.
• The sentence in the lead about the Catalonia independence connection seems dubious. I had to look hard to find the justification in the body, and when I did - only from two reviews by American reviewers, one of which not sure if it would come up? This is pretty controversial, including it in the lead needs more. Surely if it was a big deal, a Spanish or Catalan reviewer would have said something about it. This is mostly a Spanish/Catalan show, what occasional Americans think of it is not lead-worthy.
• That "Critical response" section needs some reordering or rephrasing. Otherwise you first write "Reviewer Spearman says" and only later "Writing for The Daily Dot, Kahron Spearman..."; there are other uses like this.
• Consider putting in more images, especially of Ramos since you write she is a breakout star. Otherwise having just one image implies that this is mostly Olivares's vehicle.

Again, these are nits; this is great work. GRuban (talk) 19:03, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

• No, that's great, anything to help make it better - I try to use as direct translations as possible (though accounting for idiom) when translating quotes to retain authenticity. But if the quotes can be paraphrased then it can be resolved :) Thanks! Kingsif (talk) 20:02, 9 January 2020 (UTC)