Talk:Volksgemeinschaft

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This article doesn't really explain the volksgemeinschaft at all, it just goes off on a tangent about gleichaltung and the Hitler Youth. What was the volksgemeinschaft? How was it to be achieved? How did it appeal to voters? Who did it appeal to? In my opinion this article needs some serious work.

Starting with a mistake

Volksgemeinschaft is not a Nazi word or Nazi idea. From the late 19th century on this term was used by nationalist, liberal and even communist groups and parties in Germany to describe the solidaric society they wanted to create. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.52.173.90 (talk) 22:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

Start

The page should really start by saying Volksgemeinschaft isn't translatable into english as the first line currently suggest it can be. The article could do with being rewritten. (Morcus (talk) 01:59, 5 May 2008 (UTC))

non-nazi origins

Volksgemeinschaft existed well before National Socialist movements took control of Germany. German unification of 1871 by Bismark was a milestone in it, some might say the culmination of it. Certainly, the unification benefited the economic and military position of German-speaking people, for whom it nominally spoke for, relative to French and other groups. Racial purity was not universally considered a goal of Volksgemeinschaft adherents in the 19th century, though it became an issue as Jewish resistance to the German Empire became more pronounced. It is within reason to argue that obedience to Hitler was because of his adoption of Volksgemeinschaft as a mission (certainly, it was felt in Austria that Hitler's nation-building was good for Austrians), but many who were enraptured by the original promise of his continuation of Bismark's success would later become thoroughly disillusioned with the course that greater Germany was taking under the Nazis.

From time immemorial, the ideal of Synarchy, the opposite of anarchy, has had an appeal. In Europe, this is embodied by the empires of Rome, Charles the Great, Napolean, and Bismark, among others. The allure is such that even reasonable people can be persueded by it, without giving close enough though to the governance it requires. I would say that the attractions of the Synarchic ideal has led to the creation of the UN, WIPO, and the EU. Volksgemeinschaft needs to be examined in this light. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.55.175 (talk) 01:45, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Propaganda

Cutting some sections for being irrevelant to the subject matter, since the section should be about propaganda for Volksgemeinschaft, not in general.Goldfritha (talk) 22:59, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

• In order to control information and propaganda, institutional controls were placed on the entertainment and communications industries. Hitler authorized the establishment of the Reich Chamber of Culture and appointed Dr. Joseph Goebbels as Minister of Propaganda. The Reich Chamber of Culture consisted of seven divisions: music, theatre, literature, radio broadcasting, the press, visual arts, and film. The Chamber of Culture was not only established to keep 'undesirables' such as Jews and other minorities out, but also to fully integrate Nazism with artists and entertainers who wanted a change in the structure of their professions.
• All German newspapers were brought under the control of the Eher Verlag, the Nazi publishing house where propaganda articles were pre-written for the newspapers to use. Buildings in Germany were meant to last a thousand years and were built to represent medieval themes. Outdoor theatre emphasized the theme of “Blut und Boden” (blood and soil) and re-enforced the kinship between modern Germans and ancient Greeks. Music was guided by biological theory represented in the Nordic traits of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Richard Wagner, and Joseph Haydn. Nazi films glorified the party, Hitler, and martyrdom for Nazism.

NPOV dispute

The section on Nazi use of Volksgemeinschaft talks of the Nazis' "socialist principles" and how "other politicans [sic] tore at German unity". There's some subediting to be done too - "hierarchially"? (And I know, I should change, but short on time.) Mlleangelique (talk) 13:30, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

It's the National Socialist party.

And they did indeed present themselves as the unifiers against other politicans. Goldfritha (talk) 03:56, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

With all due respect - which is very little - anyone characterising the Nazis, who cracked down on socialists before any other group, as socialists should not be allowed anywhere near articles on Nazism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mlleangelique (talk • contribs) 17:25, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Neither of the two above users arguments have substance. The Russian communists under Vladimir Lenin cracked down on socialist groups, they overthrew the Socialist Revolutionary party-led Provisional Government of Russia and Socialist Revolutionaries were among the first arrested by the communists - that doesn't prove that communists are not socialists. The included information is well-referenced to scholarly sources, and no reasons have been provided by Mlleangelique to suggest that this sourced information is false.--R-41 (talk) 18:41, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

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