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Is it possible to add this post? Thank you. LOBOSKYJOJO (talk) 00:15, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Vocational education US federal government data in 2018 showed that majority of American youth failed to complete a community college degree. Less than one out of five students were able to effortlessly finish high school and go to college to earn a degree. Many Americans were not even able to obtain an associate degree of two years. Students drop out of high school or college, miss out higher education, or earn degrees not relevant to their jobs. https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market/college-labor-market_underemployment_rates.html The possible demand for Career and Technical Education (CTE) is high but the federal government spent a minimal $1 billion for CTE in 2016. https://opportunitynation.org/legislative-priorities/career-and-technical-education-act/ However, it allocated over $70 billion to subsidize college attendance. State as well as local governments allocated $80 billion for college education but practically nothing for CTE. https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/how-other-half-learns-reorienting-education-system-fails-most-students-11419.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/10/opinion/college-vocational-education-students.html VET There are over 14,000 local educational agencies in the United States which carry the major responsibility to govern public vocational education and training (VET) in the country. https://nces.ed.gov/pubs/web/95024-2.asp Perkins Act of 1990 describes vocational education as "organized educational programs offering a sequence of courses which are directly related to the preparation of individuals in paid or unpaid employment in current or emerging occupations requiring other than a baccalaureate or advanced degree." https://www2.ed.gov/offices/OVAE/CTE/perkins.html These local agencies function within the charter of state legislation and policies influenced by federal laws. The federal government offers subsidies to state governments to support VET. States must submit their respective plans to the federal government detailing the use of said funds to become eligible. The multiplicity of such system gets complicated by multiple approaches that state governments delegate responsibility for administering secondary and post-secondary vocational education and training. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273500566_Governance_of_Vocational_Education_and_Training_in_the_United_States Nearly all skills training supported by the government outside of the education system is implemented through the United States Department of Labor’s Apprenticeship and Job Corps. https://www.jobcorps.gov/ https://www.dol.gov/apprenticeship/ Career training According to a recent survey initiated by the National Federation of Independent Businesses (NFIB), many small enterprises get few eligible applicants for available jobs because career training in the country has not evolved to keep in step with the transformation of the American economy. Schools have reduced funding for vocational training or courses. On the other hand, traditional blue-collar jobs have become demanding and more sophisticated. Many American students opt to enroll in four-year college courses even if these did not suit them. https://www.nfib.com/ https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/will-the-rebirth-of-vocational-education-bring-back-good-jobs/

Requested move 5 August 2019

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Calidum 20:45, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

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Vocational education in the United States → Career and technical education in the United States – Today I was corrected by a CTE expert when I shared a research report published in 2017 which emphasized the term "vocational education." I conducted some research of my own and learned that the term "vocational education" had been replaced with "career and technical education" in accordance with the re-authorization of the Perkins Act on July 26, 2018: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Carl_D._Perkins_Vocational_and_Technical_Education_Act . In addition, the Office of Vocational and Adult Education was Congressionally mandated to change its name to the Office of Career, Technical, and Adult Education in order to represent Career and Technical Education "as a more accurate term to describe what and how students are studying to be career ready.": https://sites.ed.gov/octae/2014/02/07/office-of-vocational-and-adult-education-becomes-office-of-career-technical-and-adult-education/ Chadthomasgreen (talk) 19:09, 5 August 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 21:58, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. The official name may have changed, but I think the most common name is still "vocational education". Rreagan007 (talk) 00:13, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I conducted a Google search on "Career and technical education" and neither this page nor the "Vocational education" wikipage shows up on the first 29 results pages (the search page limit). Should there at least be a redirect page? Chadthomasgreen (talk) 13:09, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I agree that the evidence presented means that we should have a redirect but I don't think it's sufficient to justify renaming this article (this is not to say that there's a lot of evidence that the current name is the best one, either). ElKevbo (talk) 14:42, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I went ahead and made the redirect; it can be deleted to move the article if that is what is decided now or later. ElKevbo (talk) 14:44, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, however I wonder how that will improve the search results. Chadthomasgreen (talk) 15:32, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

When I google "career and technical education in the United States", this article shows up on the first page. Station1 (talk) 00:02, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Looks good to me, too. Thanks for checking. Chadthomasgreen (talk) 15:09, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

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Reverted to revision 916626162 by Monkbot

@Trappist the monk:~~ - after reviewing the feedback from @Monkbot:~~ I would like to respond to the comment "I cannot find evidence in the cited paper to support the statement that "CTEs promote engagement". Please refer to the paragraph beginning at the bottom 43 running through to page 44 and the bottom of page 85 running through the middle of page 86 for your evidence. Please note that CTE and career academies are informally used synonymously in K-12 education. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrick Capriola, Ed.D (talk • contribs)

@Patrick Capriola, Ed.D: You've addressed your comments to the wrong user. I was the one who reverted your edit, not the MonkBot. That said, I agree with your point (although it took some digging through your source to verify that fact). As noted previously, citing your own thesis may not be the best idea. Rather, I would recommend that you cite the sources that you used in your thesis to support these statements. Also, if there is a specific passage in the source that supports your statement, it is advisable to include the page number in your citation. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:39, 2 October 2019 (UTC)