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Dear Gamaliel, are you humourless? Is Wikipedia humourless? Okay, so I Tomed when I should have Bobed, and that was, mercifully, picked up quickly. But, can I adjure [1] [2] parents to watch these videos WITH their children by saying it in a humorous manner that might actually encourage parents to do so? The Gamaliel of Acts 5:34 argued against the death sentence. Yours was swift. I am sure that someone would find a way or rewording it to be NPOV if it were left there for more than 34 minutes. A simple Adults should not let children watch this unsupervised, or they will miss some great laughs! Is that so anti-NPOV? Best wishes, tongue still in cheek, Peter Ellis 05:53, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

which nation is this line talking about? "and was the nation's first completely computer animated video."

Removing material

I'm removing both of these sections, because I don't think either of them adds anything to the article. Of course they're not anatomically correct humans. They're vegetables. And it is very common for kids' shows to include humor that is funnier to the adults in the audience than to the children. Both of these items deserve a brief single-sentence mention in the article, not a whole sub-section. (Also the example in the humor section is not entirely clear). --Aranel ("Sarah") 23:00, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I should add that I think the second section has some potential to become a bit about the show's appeal to older audiences, particularly its popularity with high school and college groups. -Aranel ("Sarah") 23:01, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Would a compromise be the changing of the name of the section to, say, Anthropomorphism. IMHO I expressed the essence of the cartoon technique AND differentiated it from the later and much better known, fully computer generated, Toy Story & Shrek, that use a completely different paradigm of anthropomorphism. As for the Sumo discussion, no-where in the articles is there a discussion of the way that the producers wind their message through a Tale (and the humour.) I thought this recent example would be apt, rather than an older video. What is the demographic of readers of Wikipedia, anyway? Are 4-10y/o children heavily represented? What about 8-12y/o? Would they be offended, or informed, if they were told that there are jokes for the adults, too? And, would that spoiler burst their child-like bubble? Meanwhile, adults get the message. I think the ideas stand up, but I would be happy to rewrite this section and share it in a sandbox if you'd like. My reading of various sections of the Style Manual don't show me that Wikipedia should be absent of any humour; rather, in it's proper place. I thought this might be one. But, being ill with a thunderous headache has probably impaired my judgement of what others would find informative, and humourous; pottering around Wilipedia while home from work seemed such a productive activity in the circumstances. Peter Ellis 23:49, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The presence of spoilers does not bother me. However, they should be useful, illustrative spoilers. (The Sumo example rather confuses me, and I'm actually familiar with VeggieTales, although I haven't see that one.) It might also be worth pointing out that in addition to various pop culture allusions, there are also biblical allusions that children may not necessarily catch. (Since "adult" is often used as a euphemism for "pornographic or otherwise inappropriate", it's probably not a good idea to use the term "adult humour". I would also be inclined to prefer American English spellings, since it's an American show.)

The fact that there is humor aimed at adults in a children's show is worth mentioning, but in and of itself it's not particularly exciting or notable. That's not what VeggieTales is known for (and it's almost a given for modern children's shows).

My understanding of the animation style (i.e. the fact that the characters are vegetables and have no arms) is that when they first started doing it, apppendages were just too difficult to animate. There are some internal jokes about this. ("How are we clapping?") I am sure that I did not make this up; it was probably off one of the videos, but I don't remember which one. I'll try to see if I can track it down, but I only have about half my videos on hand. -Aranel ("Sarah") 01:29, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

There is a reference to limbs within Sumo. Pa Grape (in character) talks about his knees giving out; Larry does an obviously quizical facial gesture, then briefly looks direct to camera before the action continues.

I also have to accept that American English is not how I spell, and I should adapt when it's an American genre. Yet, this also brings up the multicultural nature of the show. Several non-American voices are mentioned in the character section, but nothing more is made of it. While we're at it, Sumo also contains an oblique reference to "everyone speaking English, like on Star Trek" and this obvious cultural cross-link probably deserves an mention.

And, are we any closer to agreeing what MIGHT be said?Peter Ellis 20:12, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I can't find that reference to the origins of the no-arms-and-legs approach. (It may be on one of the videos that I don't have with me, or on a video that I don't have, or somewhere else entirely.) I added a note about it anyway.

I went ahead and added some material about the basic nature of the shows (i.e. the fact that they are usually adaptations of something from the Bible or else a famous literary work). Please feel free to edit/comment and to add something about the nature of the humor. Perhaps it would be sufficient to mention some of the allusions in Sumo without going into the details of what is going on? (What you had before actually makes more sense to me now, but perhaps it isn't necessary to be quite so exhaustive?) -Aranel ("Sarah") 00:03, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Also see the approach to humour in Christianity used at Ship of Fools (website). I've contributed there, too. Peter Ellis 20:49, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Epinion

Who thinks we should have a Big Idea News segment and or can we even have a news section. Tribbey 23:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe that 'news sections' are against Wikipedia policy. (Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.) Regardless, I'm against the idea. People can go to the Big Ideas website if they want to see recent news. authraw 20:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes but big idea does'nt always tell all and from searching the web I have found a lot of exiting stuff from Phil and Mike.Tribbey 23:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Anatomically Correct?

There is a complete disregard for anatomical correctness with the characters.

• For vegetables and fruit, they have remarkably efficient and expressive eyes and mouths, yet no ears (although they hear very well.)
• The characters do not have arms, yet they 'hold' items as thought they did.
• They do not have legs, instead getting around by bouncing. This also allows them to be bumped off-balance to comical effect. They turn by simply turning at the 'waist'.
• Their skins are supple, and this allows their torso and head to bend and twist.
• Characters have definite males and female natures, but not 'parts'.

Of course, the intent is to allow the children to use their imagination to fill in these "gaps".

Not to sound mean but, why do you care?.Tribbey 23:41, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

='Adult' Humour

There is constant use of humour, which children would appreciate if they even notice it, that is targetted at adult understanding.

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For instance, Sumo and the Opera (2004) that teaches about 'Perseverance' is a light take-off of the movie Rocky: Larry the Cucumber is The Italian Scallion mis-matched against Apollo Gourd, but in a Sumo wrestling competition to allow regular references to The Mikado, the operetta by Gilbert and Sullivan; and not forgetting The Karate Kid that reinforces the Japanese connection. Hence, we have riffs from Rocky and Mikado that seem to drift by the musical accompaniment, there are various attempts to form Haiku poems with varying success until Archibald Asparagus appears with a board and explains it succintly but in detail that even adults can understand (and certainly the children), and there is the irony of The Italian Scallion NOT winning the bout.

So whats the piont of this discution?Tribbey 23:41, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Larry's "Guitar"

I just watched "Silly songs with Elves" again and I noticed that the "guitar" that Larry is playing only has 4 strings while guitars usually have 6. I just wanted to know if it was a special 4-string guitar or some other stringed instrument. Maybe the reason why Larry can't play the guitar in the theme song is because he can't play 6 strings, but 4 strings are fine.

Hey, maybe Larry was playing a Ukelele!

Junior

The link to Junior Asparagus links right back here. Perhaps it would be good for someone to make a Junior page. For now, I'll leave the link as-is (namely because I'm lazy, and don't feel like making a Junior page) but I think it should be done. authraw 01:52, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

So whats the piont of this discution?Tribbey 23:41, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Should This Be Added?

Veggie Tales is sometimes, among fans, referd to as V.T., and most often spelled VeggieTales.Tribbey 03:33, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Big Idea Page Expanded?

I think the Big Idea Productions article should be expanded. The story if its demise is quite compelling. -- Malber (talk · contribs) 14:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Here here, but there come back is great to!Tribbey 01:29, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be a link, like "the rise and fall of Big Idea" or "The preseant past and future of Big Idea".Tribbey 23:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Not to disargre with you agian but we already have a link to that page on Phil's website.Tribbey 23:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm saying that the article should be expanded. However I don't have a verifiable source for Big Idea's beginnings. -- Malber (talk · contribs) 20:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Get the Were's God when Im Scared !?! DVD and you will get a "varifiable source" Malber.Tribbey 23:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I have it, something in print and 3rd party would be better. -- Malber (talk · contribs) 20:08, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Do you have the "Collectors Edition or the "Classic Edition".Tribbey 16:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Surf Phil's web site, that might give you what you want.Tribbey 16:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Not much there. As much as he seems to deny it, I think he broods on losing Big Idea. -- Malber (talk · contribs) 17:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Well at the time he wrote all that stuff he was very depresed, but now he's all right.I can not help you with anything else.Tribbey 23:26, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Seriously needs cleaning-up

This page needs cleaning up so bad. Do I have to ask an adminastrator to put a clean-up tag on it? MorwenofLossarnarch 14:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps some suggestions on what you feel needs cleaning up might be appropriate? --Rehcsif 16:12, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm thinking that the list of characters should be spaced a little better, and pictures would be an excellent addition. Hanzolot 18:25, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I've cleaned up the character list and removed some of the non-repeating characters (e.g. Goliath). It still needs attention. Mangoe 17:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I have reworked the Videos section: got rid of the useless sub-bullets; made the titles stand out better; split out the compilations; reworded some of the descriptions; etc. -- Poolio 05:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Expand Jonah?

Let's Expand the Jonah: A VeggieTales Movie Article and include the Cast & Crew, the full plot and the box office results and the movie poster. Should we do that?

Smart Place for Kids

This section seems largely irrelevant to the VeggieTales page. A mention might be appropriate in the "Brief History" section, but this section reads more like a press release than an encyclopedic entry, and does not even mention VeggieTales directly. CrimsonLine 21:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with you. It also has its own article, and it doesn't even mention VeggieTales, so I removed the entire section. If someone wants to write up a sentence or two to link to the Smart Place for Kids article, that would be fine, but I'd personally only do so if someone can find a cite that VeggieTales characters, and not just Big Idea and Classic, will be involved. --Rehcsif 03:43, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I've done a small bit of research on it (only a few minutes, mind you) and I can't seem to find anything that directly links VeggieTales and Smart Place For Kids together. I agree with the deletion. --authraw 17:26, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Theme song

I've added (or will be adding shortly) the lyrics to the theme song in the article. I've only seen one V.T. video, the one with the Good Samaritian, but the theme song has stuck with me for years. Any objections? --glasnt^<3 02:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Nooooooooo! I've heard that song tooo many times! --66.218.17.94 04:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Deleting This Talk Page

Please don't delete parts of this talk page--If you feel that this page is too long, either archive it or ask someone to archive it for you. However, I don't see this page being anywhere close to too long. --authraw 22:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Revert-o-rama

Someone has taken it upon themselves to "resolve" the merge issue. I don't see a lot of opinion about this, and since the current state is links out to a lot of literally empty articles, I'm just going to mindlessly revert everything. It's too hard to straighten out. Can we please decide whether to merge the tapes in or not? My vote:

Oppose: eventually the tape articles will get filled in. Mangoe 00:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I deleted the red links because they are a destraction and serve no purpose because i wrote all the blue links and their pages (cept Jonah and Pirates) and will not write any more links because i started the hole merge ishu. LarryBoy and The Bad Apple is out on DVD in America at christian bookstores evrey where and the next VT Episode after Gideon is The Lone Stranger. Oh and one more thing, Whats so wrong with deleting red links? Tribbey 02:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I also deleted all the VT episode preposed merge pages like Larry boy and the bad apple and the rest. Whats wrong with that when i wrote those pages any ways? Tribbey 02:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

If you are going to merge everything together, there is a right way to do it. Please see WP:MM. Blanking pages is generally considered vadalism and at the very least isn't the proper way to deal with the merge.

If you are going to eliminate the separate page, then I would expect that the section would give a synopsis for each video (including the "silly song" or equivalent. Mangoe 02:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Why cant i just dellete all those pages. come on people, work with me hear. I wrote those pages any ways. Tribbey 03:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

What im am going to do is to do what i did with the "DVDs To Be released". Tribbey 03:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I will keep the blue liks and dellete the red ones. Tribbey 17:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I object to that; someone else is quite welcome to come along and fill them in later.

And if you are going to put in synopses, then please do it in an encyclopedic style, and PLEASE check your spelling!! Mangoe 18:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

This is ridiculous! I just corrected all your (Tribbey's, under anonymous account) spelling errors, and then he reverted back to a version which removed all these synopses. We need to STOP and quit changing, changing back, and re-changing things until this has been settled here on this talk page! Nobody "owns" this article! --Rehcsif 18:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Doggone it, where did all of the discussion on this topic go? Who keeps deleting it!? I'm going to have to go back into the history of this talk page and find it again. For the record, however, my opinion on the matter has changed. After letting the pages mature for awhile and do their own thing, they now seem much more manageable and I find it a good way to get the trivial stuff out of this article. For history's sake, however--stop deleting discussions here! Stop it!!! -_-' --authraw 02:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've found the previous discussion and pasted it below--Please note that my opinion has changed from before. --authraw 02:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge?

Pleasedo not remove or add another VT Episode. I plan To Do Them All later today. Tribbey 15:06, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Uh, it seems to me that there really isn't enough encyclopedic information on each of those pages to justify an entire page on each of them. I think that the plot synopis and release date should be included beneath the episode name on this article. I'm going to put in merge tags so that we can discuss this process efficiently. -- authraw 16:36, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

The plot detial will be added later. The release date is hard to find for the episodes after the ultimate silly song countdown. I plan to put a page for every VT episode. If you want you can add the plot. Tribbey 22:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm suggesting that we not make separate pages for each episode and instead include just the most important information on this page. (I would say that your first paragraph and the silly songs on each of those pages would constitute all of the most important information.) I don't think it's really neccesary to include all of the little details like the main characters and order in which the sections of each episode happened. -- authraw 01:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Like i said I plan on adding a Story Plot on each page.Tribbey 03:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

But I don't think that there should be an each page--I think that any of the important information from those articles should be merged here and that those pages should be deleted. I don't really see a lot of the information on several of those pages to be really important. -- authraw 02:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

How about merge them into one page called "Veggie Tales Episodes" or something like that.Tribbey 18:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

How about creating articles on the Video Games and the larry boy Vidoes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.216.74 (talk • contribs)

I don't know--I don't think that would really be neccesary either. We still have plenty of room in this article for more information--I say we just put a little bit of info on each episode on this page. Shall I post this page in "articles for comment" so that we can get some outside opinions? I think that would be best. :) -- authraw 21:58, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Go right ahead. and im starting to think that what you are saying is a good idea. Im am now on a wikibreak and be watching the page from a distance so can this debate be retired for a little while.Tribbey 23:19, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I like the idea of making all of the episodes into their own article, if only for encapsualtion. it is a reasonable compromise position between you two. Though, including an example plot from one of the episodes, might befit the article. -- ∞Dbroadwell 17:44, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I like Tribbey's idea of a "Veggie Tales Episodes" page, or "List of Veggie Tales Episodes" page. The current article has plenty of info, synopsis (synopsys? synopsisis? what's the plural?!?) would over-load it (IMHO). On the other hand, a seperate page for each episode seems like over-kill. In any case, you have your work cut out for you. Good luck!-DejahThoris 01:09, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I concur that a page for the episodes seems like enough. The fact that there are over 20 of them means they are hardly going to be represented well on the main page, however, although each episode has a wide audience in VHS/DVD sales, they don't really fit into a page for each. A paragraph or two on each on a VeggieTales Episodes page would be great IMO. Ansell 07:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

It's all a question of length. I don't think each episode is notable enough to have its own article, so either it should all be in the main article or, if the episode list is large enough to overshadow the rest of the article, move it to a list page with brief plot synopses and sentences on anything noteworthy in each episode. Fagstein 05:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

So does this mean that my idea has won?Tribbey 17:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

It seems to be agreed that a separate page should be made that lists all of the episodes, a short plot summary, the silly songs, and perhaps a few other minor things. :) Do you want to make the page, or should I? authraw 00:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

You could if you want to, but it just sounds like a wast of time ,I think we should have someing thing like this. Tribbey 15:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

• the suv song
  • A snoodls tale
• school house polka
  • sumo of the opera

And so on.(keep the LarryBoy and the Bad Apple page, then after it comes out delete it.) Tribbey 15:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Hang on, I thought that the consensus was that we should make a separate page to put all of the important info about the episodes on--now you don't want to list the episodes at all? And I don't think it would be entirely out of line to make a separate page for "Silly Songs with Larry" (as of now, it just redirects to Larry the Cucumber) that lists the silly songs and which episodes they come from, but to add yet another list to this page, I think, would just cheapen the article. authraw 19:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

It is not another page for Silly Songs, it is going to be on the V.T. Page.Tribbey 17:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, Tribbey, it seems we can't agree on anything! ;-P I believe that we should make a separate page for the silly songs at "Silly Songs with Larry" and go into a little more detail on the silly songs in general (after all, I do think that a lot can be said about them. A simple list would not do them justice, methinks.) I also believe that we already have too many lists on this page as is--I don't feel it is neccesary to add any more. As for the episodes, I feel that we should go with the generally accepted idea of putting them all into a separate article. What do you think? Do we need to list the page on Wikipedia: Third Opinion again? -- authraw 20:44, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Thats fine. Tribbey 00:49, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Eheh... what's fine? That I list it for a third opinion or that we go with the plan I detailed in the paragraph above? :-P -- authraw 20:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Just do what ever you want. Tribbey 00:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry that it's taking so long to put up the pages (if somebody else wants to start it, feel free) but I'm just so freakin' busy right now that I can't seem to find time for anything but minor, managerial edits right now. This weekend isn't looking good either, and then we'll be getting close to finals week. When I get the time to fix it up I will, but that's not looking like any time soon. -- authraw 19:33, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree Lest move all the episodes to a VeggieTales Episodes page as well as moving the feature films to there.

My opinon has now changed to oppose the merge--the pages are now much more substantial and are good to keep this article more concice. (see above topic, too) --authraw 02:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

My opinion is to oppose the merge. The pages will get fleshed out in time. I will do more as time permits. I have just added significant details to the Lyle the Kindly Viking page. -- Just another VeggieTales fan, 18 August 2006

Spelling

Tribbey (I'm assuming this is you, although they're often anonymous edits): you HAVE to check your spelling if you're going to modify this article (or any other Veggie-related article, or any other WP article for that matter). In the future, I'll just start reverting instead of cleaning up your messes. I've spent considerable time cleaning up your atrocious spelling! We appreciate your contributions, but the spelling errors make this article look terrible and inaccurate! --Rehcsif 18:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Episode Structure

I have been working on updating the episode pages. I'm basically expanding on what was already there with some additional changes: adding an infobox with a cover illustration; renaming "Plot" to "Synopsis" and moving it up top; adding "Notes and Trivia", especially cultural references and VeggieTales cross-references; complete/accurate song and character lists; consistency of formatting. I am also verifying all info directly from the videos and the credits in the process. These changes give the pages a more professional look and will hopefully put to bed the "Merge" issue below. I encourge anyone else to help with this effort. (I don't have access to all videos.) Look at the pages below for examples and please be consistent! I'm taking all images directly from the Big Idea site. -- Poolio 05:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I am also combining the "Chapters" and "DVD Bonus Features" under the heading "DVD Content" with a standard header. Thes two topics should be coupled since they pertain to the characteristics of the DVD itself, and not to the story/characters/songs/etc that make up the rest of the page. -- Poolio 05:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

The following is a list of "completed" pages. Which is not to say there is no room for improvement... just that there are others that are in greater need of some work. See below. — Poolio 05:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Completed Episode Pages

• Where's God When I'm S-Scared?
• God Wants Me To Forgive Them!?!
• Rack, Shack, and Benny
• Dave and the Giant Pickle
• The Toy that Saved Christmas
• Larry-Boy and the Fib from Outer Space
• Josh and the Big Wall!
• Larry-Boy and the Rumor Weed
• Esther... The Girl Who Became Queen
• Lyle the Kindly Viking
• The Ultimate Silly Song Countdown
• The Star of Christmas
• The Ballad of Little Joe
• A Snoodle's Tale
• Bob and Larry's How to Draw!
• Sumo of the Opera
• Duke and the Great Pie War
• Minnesota Cuke and the Search for Samson's Hairbrush
• Lord of the Beans
• Sheerluck Holmes and the Golden Ruler
• LarryBoy and the Bad Apple
• The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything: A VeggieTales Movie
• Jonah: A VeggieTales Movie

Videos Section

Hello, Azumanga1. Is there a special reason why you pulled the episode lists out from under the "Videos" section? The four sub-sections ("Episdoes", "Feature Length Films", "Compilations", and "Upcoming Releases") all belong grouped together under the heading of Videos. These topics are tightly related, i.e., things you can buy and watch. The paragraphs directly under "Videos" are an intro to the sections that followed. It doesn't make sense now that you've broken them up and added stuff in between. Please respond! I will be reverting this shortly. (I will, of course, retain your other contributions.) Maybe the overall heading could be improved: "Productions" perhaps, or "Video and DVD"? -- Poolio 04:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

As noted above, I've restored the hierarchy to the "Videos" section. I added a note that videos are available on both VHS and DVD, to make it clear that the term "Videos" is being used in the broad sense, and not as a shorthand for "video tapes". Poolio 16:32, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Can we stop messing with the Videos section, at least until we've discussed it here? The order should be: Episodes, Films, Compilations, Unreleased. You can't list Compilations ahead of the things they comprise; it's not standard form and it's not intuitive to the reader. And you shouldn't list a minor category with one entry ahead of the main substance of the list. Again, not intuitive, not good form. -- Poolio 01:19, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

To whomever changed the names of the two Silly Songs videos: Could you please reply here and cite your sources for the change? I can't find any source that refers to "Very Silly Songs!" as "A Very Silly Sing-Along". And if "The End of Silliness?" is subtitled "A Very Silly Sing-Along 2", it doesn't appear on the cover. I would recommend keeping the titles consistent with what's listed on Big Idea's own site. I don't think it's necessary to clutter the episode list with subtitles.

I am reverting the last change. If you have an issue with the current format, discuss it first. That's why this page is here. Poolio 01:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Vote for Merger?

Can we get an official vote as to whether or not to merge the episodes in? It would be good to get rid of those templates and move on with the article. Should we merge?

I Oppose the merge. The episode pages are becoming more substantial and will help to keep this article consice. --authraw 01:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I Oppose the merge. I'm working pretty hard to get those episode pages into a standard, robust, and professional format. Check out the list under "Episode Structure" at the top of this page. (Sumo is the best so far.) Continuing in this vein, merging will no longer be a viable option. -- Poolio 05:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright--this has been here for awhile, so I'm going to assume nobody else has anything to say on the matter. In a day or two, I'm going to remove the merge notices. If anyone has a problem with that, please speak up now! --authraw 02:25, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I have now removed the merge notices! --authraw 01:02, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, authraw. -- Poolio 03:02, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Phil News

PhilVischer.com has been updated to a blogging format.

Larry-Boy and the Rumor Weed parodied on SpongeBob?

Is this true? If so, then which episode was it?

Listen to the rumer weed audio comentary and you will find out that sponge bob parodied rumer weed.

Episode Pages Needing Work

Okay, I have completed adding pages for every episode in the series. All of them have Infoboxes with DVD/VHS cover art, intro paragraphs, and have been initialized to the standard format. The list of Completed Episode Pages above lists all of those that are more or less complete. The following lists the episodes that have been marked for expansion. Please update them in the same style as the rest if you own these videos and have a little free time. I don't mind proofing everything for spelling, grammar, format, etc. (The two marked with a star I will be able to complete in a couple weeks.) — Poolio 05:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

• Are You My Neighbor?
• Very Silly Songs!
• Madame Blueberry
• The End of Silliness?
• King George and the Ducky
• Jonah Sing-Along Songs and More!
• The Wonderful World of Auto-Tainment!
• An Easter Carol
• Gideon Tuba Warrior

"qobo" Controversy citation

The citation requested for this section is provided by the first citation link in the article, found at the end of the article's first paragraph. Does this link need to be repeated at the end of the "Controversy" section, or should the "citation needed" marker simply be deleted? -- Pennyforth 23:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I've made a change to avoid this whole thing. How does that look? ;-) --authraw 01:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

PHOTO OF "THE LONE STRANGER"

Can someone add this Photo to The Lone Stranger page. Here is the Link for the photo.

Unfortunately, no, unless you can either prove that it's been released under a GFDL-compatible license or into the public domain, or can come up with a valid fair use rationale. For starters, we'd need to know where the image came from. --Rehcsif 04:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

The image came from this web site.

We can't just take images off of websites and place them in the encyclopedia. We'd have to get appropriate permission... I kind of wonder if that site even has proper permission to use their images... --Rehcsif 17:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Criticism?

It seems very odd to me that there is no part of the article documenting the criticism this (children's) show has received for its blatantly religious slant. Among people who respect the fact that young children do not know enough about the world to understand or make up their minds about issues as complicated as religion and belief there is widespread condemnation of this series for its proselytizing. Why is this not documented in the article? Inoculatedcities 23:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Most of the criticism that I've seen here is in the form of vandalism, not a meaningful discussion with reliable sources. You are welcome to try.

Plus, Larry and Bob don't come to your house unless they're invited. Parents have every right to teach their children about religion and morality at any age. Heck, many adults don't know enough about the world to understand complicated religious issues, but that's not the point. VeggieTales doesn't get too complicated. --Spiffy sperry 16:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Funny. I came here (wanting to know more information about the brief stint Veggietales had at a themepark called Silver Dollar City) after noticing the absence of a crticism section as well. The statement "that many adults don't know about the world to understand complicated religious issues," is simply another reason why children shouldn't be brainwashed by an otherwise innocent show to support an agenda.. er, I mean, religion.. they probably wouldn't have supported otherwise, and probably won't be able to back up as adults either. (I assume, if parents have every right to teach their kids "morality and religion", then you are in support of Iran teaching kids to be suicide bombers on the same basis - or does this only (typically) apply to Christians?)I don't believe it is NP to have a "controversy" section about having the references to G-d removed, and not having a criticism section when this series is most certainly criticized. I don't have the time to actively debate and provide sources when they can be brought up in a search with Google at the moment, though. Personally, aside from the Joseph Goebbels element of propaganda -- I think the biggest element of crticism should be the small fact that the two "main" characters of the series, are actually fruits. Darkahn 17:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

From where I sit, I see nothing wrong with a criticism section so long as it is properly cited. And cucumbers aren't fruits--are they? :-P By gum, cucumbers are fruits! authraw 20:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Just to clear some things up, only the video versions of these programs contain a religious slant, i.e. asking the computer, "Qwerty" for a bible verse that relates to the moral of the story or talking about God and Jesus. In the television shows, the only explicit mentions of religion are in the episodes themselves, some of which were made before widespread synidaction on NBC, and are generally only Biblical references. The morals of the stories are fairly benign, i.e., treat others kindly, avoid violent solutions to conflicts, share what you have, believe in yourself. Personally, I'm a little dissapointed that the show backed off so much from its out-right Christian morals and took a more secular approach. --Helloworld12 22:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Darkahn, you seriously want to compare VeggieTales with suicide bomber school? That's just absurd. As for the Google search (I tried "VeggieTales criticism"), I didn't find anything on the first 2 pages that wasn't about the deal with NBC or a film review. Not that everything found there is a reliable source anyway. --Spiffy sperry 00:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I am aware that the video versions are the most heavily religiously slanted; they are also the most widespread and popular, as well. Darkahn 14:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

SS -- are you trying to put words in my mouth, or did you seriously misinterpert what I said? "Morals and ethics" of religion vary; what I had said was certainly not comparing VeggieTales with "suicide bomber school", although VeggieTales certainly bares resemblences to several cartoons financed by Hesbollah in Lebanon. It was merely pointing out that 'teaching children ethics and morals' encompasses more than just inherently -Christian- ethics and morals, which are by no means universal, and aren't even practiced in their entirety by a vast majority of them. As to the finding of criticism, it is a well known fact that the creators and producers of the series endured media criticism, along with criticism of the general populace, for years -- hence the persistent sarcastic parodies, etc.

Unfortunately, due in part to Republican bloggers filling up the search engines with their own criticism of the post-NBC editted version, these references are hard to find; when they are found, they normally come in the form of -- yes -- reviews, which are arguably not "up-to-par" with Wikipedia's "verfiability" policy, despite the fact that those reviews (such as on imdb) show the opinions on the show. Not to mention, pro-Christian bloggers have also criticized the uneditted version of the show as being a "mockery of Christ" repeatedly, such as with the "VeggieTales Nativity Scene" (found in a two minute search with Google, which also entertained me for the day). Unfortunately, as you can see -- it's on a blog. http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/archives/2006/12/veggie_tales_na.php

There has been no criticism, to my knowledge, of the show, by any particularly noteworthy individuals. Darkahn 21:06, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Like who, James Dobson? Jerry Falwell? Inoculatedcities 15:57, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I usually expect to find a criticism section on just about any article that is even remotely political. I came here just about to add a section on how i thought this was odd, but apparently it is already here. Of the possible scenarios i could imagine christian who might disagree with the interpretations that veggie tales would make of the bible. But maybe most of the religously focused episodes were pre-wikipedia. 76.185.165.138 03:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

What About How the Story is Treated?

I'm surprised there has not been much criticism of how the actual Biblical story is treated in the videos. I just found a review (it's on top) of the most recent DVD, "Moe and the Big Exit" on the online version of AFA Journal, and the reviewer blasted how they treated the story of Moses and the Exodus.

Here's the link: May 2007 AFA Journal DVD Review (Moe and the Big Exit on top) WAVY 10 14:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I love Veggietubes!

I think the show is funny a good way to teach morals Chivista 18:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

But they don't teach morals. They teach one religion's dogmatic view of morality. Children are too young to make an informed decision about ethics.The Gonz 20:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Those Veggietales are going in my next stir-fry... --Candy-Panda 06:33, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Veggietales is funny, and I don't have a problem with morals, but they're teaching religion. Face it, the only reason anybody believes in a specific religion without being a complete retard is because their parents taught it to them as a child. And their parents taught it to them as well. Veggietales just saves the parents time on teaching religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.46.56.27 (talk) 23:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, no. I find that comment offensive. People don't just believe in a specific religion because their parents taught them too, heck, lots of people convert from one religion to another half way through their lives. Saying people are complete retards for having a religion tells me that you have very little respect. If you're not religious, fine, just don't bash people who do have religion. Veggie Tales doesn't brain wash people, it teaches moral and saves christian parents the trouble of sending their kids to Sunday school. --Phantom Kirby 18:08, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

3-2-1 Penguins

Ok, 3-2-1 Penguins should not be under the spin-off section, right? As far as I know, it has nothing to do with Veggie Tales. Teeple12 22:45, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

• Um, produced by the same company, tons of cross advertising, same voice actors, "Brought to you by the creators of VeggieTales" -- yea, not related at all 147.145.40.43 00:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but isn't a spinoff supposed to be with some the characters? Like larry-boy. 70.106.171.114 18:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Dosen't HAVE to be. P.S. What is your deal, Darkhln or whatever it is 75.71.137.248 03:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

drawn together

I can't believe the parody section doesn't mention drawn together it probably was and someone didn't like it and removed it :\ 216.113.96.78 23:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

The Pirates Who Dont Do Anything Movie Website Is Up

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The Wonderful Wizard of Ha's DVD Cover

Can someone please post this photo—hxxp://graphics.christianbook.com/g/oversize/7/745120o.jpg—on The Wonderful Wizard of Ha's.

Christmas Trees

Is there a page for "The Singing Christmas Tree" CD? I was wondering because I could write it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spin Masta J (talk • contribs) 21:32, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Links in albums

There are problems with several of the links in the Albums section. They all point to The Wonderful World of Auto-Tainment!, Both two saved you King George and the Ducky? --Jeremy Butler 14:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it looks as though these songs do not have their own articles, nor are they mentioned in the target article. Auto-Tainment is a sing-along episode which must feature these songs. Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 01:50, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protection

Let me know if anyone objects to the semi-protection. There has been a lot of recent vandalism from a variety of IPs. EdJohnston (talk) 01:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Talk about speedy action-- Apparently the ARV report got the message to the right person! Thanks, Ed! Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 01:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Heroes of the Bible

I've found no record of Heroes Volumes 4 or 5 (I'd buy them if I could find them)... Can anyone verify their existence? Thanks Kristamaranatha (talk) 17:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Answer=

There is no such thing as Heroes of the Bible Volumes 4 or 5, that was just somebody's false infomation. Bigidea would have annouced that there was a "Heroes of the Bible" Volumes 4 or 5. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.111.64.178 (talk) 00:49, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Heroes of the Bible Volume IV =

Bigidea should've been announced there would be one. It has "Jonah", "Wizard of Ha's" and "Abe & the Amazing Promise". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.93.181.72 (talk) 23:31, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

The Simpsons.

Someone read the cultural references section, and tell me that Simpsons part makes sense! Cause I have no clue what it is suppose to mean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.173.81.213 (talk) 14:44, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I admit I too think it makes no sense also, becuase I'm a Christian I hate the Simpsons, any way, since the page is blocked, you'll have to have an account to delete that information. God bless!

Merger of episodes

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Closed as no consensus for a merger. — Keithbob • Talk • 19:47, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

---

Nearly all episode articles are filled with plot and trivial information, and no production and reception. Some (maybe all) episodes were tagged for lack of quality and notability last year, but many of these tags have been removed without improvements to the articles. I do realize that some reviews exist for several episodes and that thus notability could be claimed, but none of this changes that the articles are nothing more than plot and data dumps and should be stubbified. When this is done (the stubbification), the articles may as well be merged into a new List of VeggieTales episodes, with no prejudice against recreation if someone actually wants to improve them. Are there any volunteers to "save" the articles through improvement (check any episode article at Wikipedia:GA#Television_episodes to get an idea)? I'd merge the ep articles in a few weeks otherwise. – sgeureka ^t•c 22:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• I think your proposal to merge the episodes in a single List of VeggieTales episodes sounds like a good solution. — CactusWriter | ^needles 16:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I disagree. There's a lot of content about each episode in most pages and I think they are fine separated as they are now. NeonFire (talk) 20:22, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
    • As I said, for nearly all of the pages, this "a lot of content" consists of plot and trivial information (which needs to be trimmed and/or removed), and no production and reception. I got a prelimary List of VeggieTales episodes with all merged episodes, where I left the song names in, as they may have some encyclopedic relevance. It's still at 130 kB, and more trimming is necessary per WP:NOT#PLOT/WP:WAF ("Wikipedia treats fiction in an encyclopedic manner, discussing the reception, impact, and significance of notable works. A concise plot summary is appropriate as part of the larger coverage of a fictional work.") Since there was no improvement whatsoever in the past 2.5 months since the initial merge proposal (plus the year with no improvement before), and because this merge proposal isn't getting much attention in the first place (no-one seems to care about these articles), it is unlikely that the issues will get fixed in the future either, so I am going to redirect the episodes to the List of episodes soon (unless improvement is noticible). – sgeureka ^t•c 13:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

• • It looks like the community has subsequently created the "List of VeggieTales episodes" so my question is - What good is it? We still have the stubs on this main page and the info on the "List" page largely has little additional information. AND each video has its own page which largely has MUCH more info. Not trying to be negative, but my question is - why create a new page when it's basically a copy/paste of the info on the main page? Should we delete the info on the main page? Ckruschke (talk) 15:50, 8 March 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Protected False infomation

Dear CactusWriter, I would like to tell you that the VeggieTales page is locked and I (because I'm not user) can't edit it, so somebody added false content and I can't delete it! Are you able to delete it for me? the false content is located on "other media" and this is the false content:

• The Ballad of Little Joe 18th Anniversary Collector's Edition (2008)
• A Snoodle's Tale Exclusive Special Edition (2008)
• An Easter Carol 20th Anniversary Collector's Edition (2008)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.111.64.178 (talk) 00:49, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

The page was placed under protection because of the recent persistent removal of references and the substitution for misinformation. Some things were obviously missed when we tried to revert the page back. Thank you for pointing out those erroneous entries (Those 18th and 20th anniversary editions are ridiculously impossible. Well spotted.) The 3 entries have been removed. — CactusWriter | ^needles 08:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you CactusWriter, I really appreciate it.

Abe and the Amazing Promise

The new upcominging VeggieTales video "Abe and the Amazing Promise" needs a page, so I strongly reccommend Wikipedia to make a page for "Abe and the Amazing Promise".—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.111.64.178 (talk) 00:49, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia guidelines are against the creation of any article about future films or upcoming television shows. See Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Films, TV shows and others should wait until they have been released to the public before anything is written -- this allows proper independent referencing of the material. There is nothing so critically important about a new episode that it cannot wait until then. — CactusWriter | ^needles 09:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

But it is true! I'm not lying that there's going to be an "Abe and the Amazing Promise", check Bigidea.com press products at the top of the home page, then press VeggieTales, you'll see it up there Wikipedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.111.64.178 (talk) 14:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I apologize if you felt that I accused you of lying. That was not my intention and I certainly don't believe that you are. You are correct that Bigidea is advertising a new episode to be seen in February. However, descriptions about upcoming or unreleased films or TV shows are not included because there are many circumstances which might prevent them from occurring. As such, Wikipedia uses the policy about WP:Crystal. Until the new VegieTales episode is actually seen by the public, any information about it is purely speculative -- meaning it cannot be verified. That means until someone actually views the episode it cannot be confirmed. When the new episode is released in February, then you should include a description in the article. Once again, I'm sorry for any misunderstanding. — CactusWriter | ^needles 07:48, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

By the way, the name of the episode has been included in the episodes list. — CactusWriter | ^needles 10:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

So, do you think you (or Wikipedia) will create the page when it comes out, CactusWriter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.111.64.178 (talk) 00:33, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

After the program is released to the public, it would be great if you could add a description of the show to WP, using the format of the other shows. — CactusWriter | ^needles 09:04, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Description? that's not what I meant, I meant a whole page for that video.

Like every other video, for this one to get its own article, the video itself (and not just VeggieTales in general) would have to receive significant independent coverage by the national/international media. You can read more about the standards at this page. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:49, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

God Made You Special

There has been recent Wikipedia:Vandalism on page God Made You Special, I simpily request that this page should be fixed then put under temporarary page protection. 76.111.64.178 (talk) 22:43, 6 December 2008 (UTC) Nathan C.

Drawn Together parody of the Characters

On Season 2x12: Clum Babies--Brown Shoes22 (talk) 05:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Minnesota Cuke and the Quest for Noah's Umbrella! Its real this time!

Check out this blog it has links to two recent interviews with Mike Nawrocki. In both interviews he says that Minnesota Cuke is returning. This time Minnesota looks for Noah's Umbrella. Its a lesson in not being ashamed.

The blog can be found here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.219.111 (talk) 02:53, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

 Not done. Becuase of WP:Crystal, and the website never mentions the release date, we can't create the page. Sorry about that. Rowdy the Ant (talk) 02:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

This paragraph makes no sense

"In some episodes the format is slightly altered. In the Lord of the Beans, Bob and Larry had to talk really fast to save some time. In fact, Larry had to walk to the front door, and thus, interrupting Jimmy's "Mail Song" and there was a neighbor named Mr. Lunt who plays a stick puppet, Paco the Storytelling Mule, of a neighbor interference in the opposite direction."

Fifth paragraph of "Format" section. Sentences one and two may be accurate, however the last sentence is incomplete, run-on and does not provide information.

Barefoot gal (talk) 18:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

That's because the are mixing up the real episode with the way it aired on TV. That paragraph is nonsense and should be deleted immediately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.219.111 (talk) 18:02, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Upcoming

Someone keeps spaming the upcoming episode section. As of Aug 1st, 2009 Big Idea has not nnounced any new episodes after "Pistachio" which will be released next spring. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.208.218 (talk) 21:10, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Character Section

The character section in this article is basically a copy of the List of VeggieTales Characters article. Would it be okay if it was edited to just include the link? 74.33.174.133 (talk) 18:50, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Not that I have any final say, but I think it would be fine – I don't see the use of a duplicate. TheAE talk/sign 16:45, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I think it should be taken off! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sehorn (talk • contribs) 20:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Leave References To Possible Future Wikipedia Pages In?

The most recent edit deleted the "Wikipedia Reference Brackets" from some of the videos presumably because there is no page for these videos and the editor thought the the videos being highlighted in red didn't look good. For example he changed "Silly Little Thing Called Love" to "Silly Little Thing Called Love" to delete the non-existant Wikipedia link. Although I can see both sides of the argument, I suggest that these brackets stay intact so that if a separate page IS created somewhere down the road (and most of the videos have their own page) and editor won't have to add these brackets back in. On some subjects and for more obscure living people, including a Wikipedia link to a page that will probably never be done is obvious, but for this instance I do not think it is the case. Just a suggestion. Ckruschke (talk) 15:24, 7 January 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke

WP:REDDEAL suggests that if there could plausibly be an article that is "redlinked", the red link should remain. Sangrolu (talk) 20:49, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Since all the other videos have their own pages, that was basically my point - someone eventually will create the page and I think especially so when they see that there isn't one already. Ckruschke (talk) 01:15, 3 March 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke

Continual malicious edits

Can whoever is the editor of this page contact user 67.142.174.21 and tell him to knock it off? I've reverted the same incorrect insertion on this page 4X's now. I thought at first I was missing something so gave him the benefit of the doubt and followed up on his "Pajama Sam" edit, looking at the Wiki link, Youtube, etc, but it has nothing to do with the Larry-boy character, except very superficially, and the revert war is getting old.... Thanks! Ckruschke (talk) 17:50, 28 February 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke

Update - I've now reverted the same nonsense 8X... Ckruschke (talk) 13:42, 8 March 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke

Relevance of "Streaming Television" section

Is the fact that Veggie Tales is available on Netflix (or any other streaming service) noteworthy enough to merit mention? Mentioning where you can find content seems like it runs afoul of WP:DIRECTORY. Sangrolu (talk) 21:01, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

If you could find a secondary source citing it, then I would say yes. The mere fact that it is available is not that notable, as we see that practically everything is available on some sort of streaming service. BOVINEBOY2008 23:23, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Rewrite?

This page has many things that are far from correct, and what's more, vandals keep adding anything they want to (Other then that, where are the admins?). The entire page needs updating, rewriting, and more importantly, protection. Any votes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rowdy the Ant (talk • contribs) 21:07, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

I for one have been working on this page for months trying to clear it up. I would disagree with the "many things" being far from correct, as at one time a couple months ago I thought the page was pretty tight, but I can't re-read the page every week and its hard to police when people with questionable intent hide their edits as "minor". Ckruschke (talk) 22:23, 6 March 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke

Twas the night before easter

I saw the DVD for "Twas the night before Easter" at Target Greatland today, the cover had Larry the Cucumber dressed up as the Easter bunny. So it has been already released. - 68.110.5.148 (talk) 19:23, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes - I added it to the list several weeks ago. Ckruschke (talk) 14:27, 15 March 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke

Veggie Video #41 In Wrong List?

Was looking for some concurrence. I watched the "DVD Compilation" video Happy Together last night with my daughter and it appears to be identical is characteristics (compilation of three previous videos, two Silly Songs, and "real kids" talking about their feelings) to the description for Veggie Video #41 - "Silly Little Thing Called Love". I was planning on just moving "Silly Little Thing" over to the compilation list, but since it will renumber the bottom of the main video list, I was looking for some prior agreement so someone doesn't go "What The Heck?!?!?!"
Since this is really quite minor, if there is no comment after the weekend, I'm going to assume tacit approval. Thanks! Ckruschke (talk) 16:12, 17 March 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke

Actually, there were three Silly Songs in Happy Together. 2601:1C2:1701:5066:FD5F:A0F1:72DD:AADC (talk) 00:52, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Biased slant

Isn't a significant issue about the VeggieTales business that they overexpanded, incurring huge costs and nearly lost everything? I'm not even clear how they recovered. This is a key editorial issue that is not covered in this and needs to be addressed. Otherwise, it's a biased, white washed, optimistic slant on what the real situation was. --Adam00 (talk) 06:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Feel free to add any reliably sourced information you may have to the business practices of VT. Ashmoo (talk) 10:41, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Easy to cast disparaging comments. I know of Phil Vischer's website he talks about what, in his opinion, brought down "his" VeggieTales. I'm sure there are other sources with other points of view. Ckruschke (talk) 14:46, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

It seems like the story of the rise and fall of the company does not belong on the veggie tails page any way. Big Idea is the company that went bankrupt. Veggie Tails was just one of its several assets. 98.178.170.228 (talk) 19:34, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Agree. Ckruschke (talk) 15:27, 19 July 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke

The bankruptcy is crucial for explaining the time gap between the old series and the Netflix spinoff, as well as the creative change of direction. I was as surprised not to find the word "bankrupt" on this page as I would have been if it were absent from the page for the DeLorean. Noumenon72 (talk) 17:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

They should put VeggieTales on CBeebies

I am a fan of VeggieTales and Threads. Shouldn't they put VeggieTales on BBC (CBeebies) in the UK? That would be great for the UK fans. They should also re-dub the episodes when the BBC airs them. Check out the "VeggieTales on BBC" section. 68.224.119.202 (talk) 04:38, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

While I certainly agree with your sentiments, Talk sections are not open forums for general discussion. Lets keep comments to the article. Ckruschke (talk) 13:03, 18 November 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke

2012?????

Slightly confused by this in the BBC section:

"When the show aired on BBC's CBeebies television network in late January 2012, VeggieTales episodes were edited to remove most references to God, at the request of the BBC network's standards and practices department."

Erm...to my understanding, people have not made time travel possible. January 2012 has not yet happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.175.145.64 (talk) 13:03, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Why don't we change it rather than making a useles sarcastic comment... Ckruschke (talk) 19:07, 29 November 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke

Because I don't know enoug about it to change it, sorry for the sarcasm, but I was pointing out something that needs to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.175.145.12 (talk) 22:29, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I took care of it. I was going to go ahead and put in a "needs reference" note, but there were so many issues with the two sections I simply deleted the text. Since there was no reference listed and I couldn't find one, it's pointless to speculate what is true or not. However, I left the sentence near the top that it was going to be on the BBC in January 2012. No worries. Ckruschke (talk) 15:34, 1 December 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke

January 2012 is now happening. BBC will need to put VeggieTales on CBeebies now. 68.224.119.202 (talk) 04:50, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Well the BBC doesn't NEED to do anything, but if you say it's on now please find a reference to show that it's actually on CBeebies. Ckruschke (talk) 12:46, 11 January 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke

I looked around Google and you can guess what I found...

• BS11 (Japan)
• Bubble Hits (Ireland)
• BYU Television (USA)
• CBC (Canada)
• CBC (Japan)
• CBeebies (UK)
• CBS (USA)
• CCTV (China)

68.224.119.202 (talk) 19:22, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

No. I found the same list as you have - it's on an open-source site that anyone can edit (like Wikipedia) - this proves nothing. What YOU are continuing to claim is that it's on CBeebies so what is your reference to this (I don't live in England so what do I know?). On the other hand, I checked all over the CBeebies site and it is not listed. I'm and really trying hard not to be a jerk, but you seem to be missing my point. Wikipedia doesn't care what's on someone's blog, or what's on another open-source site, or some other heresay - it cares about facts and the fact is that it isn't on CBeebies. I looked on the list of shows - nothing. I looked on the TV listings for this entire week - still othing. So I come back to my original point which you have not answered: "What is your reference that it's on CBeebies?" Please direct me to it and I'll be happy to restore any content you want - heck I'll even write it! Please help me help you because at this point, I've got nothing... Ckruschke (talk) 20:01, 11 January 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke

I tried finding a source for that on Google again and I can't find anything. I guess a source for it NEVER exists. Oh well. Plus, I like how you removed all UK/BBC/CBeebies references I've been adding before. 68.224.119.202 (talk) 02:37, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

The God references were removed by NBC! 216.169.86.108 (talk) 00:45, 18 November 2014 (UTC)