Talk:Urums

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any information on Urum people in the U.S? I wonder any Urums migrated out of ukraine or Russia. I love to read anything on Urums I come across and add the stuff on the page. I liked the article, it is nearly organized and collected enough sources to abide by wikipedia rules. 207.200.116.8 19:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

calender/calendar?

The See Also section of this article has a red link to Ruumi Calender. Does this refer to a calendar (like a timekeeping device) or a calender (like a press), or some other meaning? I am currently fixing all calender for calendar typos that I find on Wikipedia, but prefer not to guess at their context. -- KathrynLybarger (talk) 04:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Rum and greek are different

The name rum (Romanian - Est Romanian- Byzantium) is used to describe orthodox Byzantins. Not exectly greeks. For exemple an orthodox turk can be rum becouse he is orthodox. At the other hand a muslim greek will never be called as rum even if he is 100% greek. At this age religion was the strongest apparance of the nationality. Fınaly rum is not used for an ethnicity in ottoman empire but we saw already that most of the orthodoxs were greeks and armenians. I want to mean that rum is not equal to greek but to orthodox christian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.91.137.53 (talk) 20:57, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

urum, aram, aromanians, ermenians. the word "Greek" doesn't exist in the history. a completely artificial western historian pulled out of the back of the brain therm.89.205.59.148 (talk) 09:56, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

URUM KIPCHAK TATAR

The ancient name of Seldjuk Empire is Seldjuk i Rum . I can give you an exemple diyar -i rum means the territory of rum ( romans ). An other exemple Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi. Here rumi means (who came from roman territorys) Turks called the western territoys ( diyar ı rum) and the chretians of this territory were rums. But sometimes they used the nickname rum to describe a person living there even if he is a turk. In reality you can call rum an orthodox tatar but it depends of their location. For exemple for the tatars living in est , western tatars can be tatars who live in Roman territory =rum. But generaly the terme is used for the religion. And maybe for muslim tatars , cheretian tatars are rum or rumi. Finaly we know that some turkic clans are chretian like kipchaks , one part of tatars, chuvashs. And we know already that urum languages have no similarity with sud black sea dialect. This dialect is close to the megrel or georgian language. For this reason Rumey people who came from turkish black sea territorys speak this dialect of turksh. But for urums we can see that they are speaking crimean tatar and its not similar to sud black sea turkish. And at the other hand their language is closed to kipchak dialect it can prouve that like christian kipchak they may have same origins. I want to repeat that there is so many use of the word rum but generely it is used for the confession( religion). I think there is not so much argument to describe urums as greek. But sometimes there is a strong confusion betweek greek and rum becouse most of the rums have hellenic origin. Maybe you can be more objectif and not write that urums are certainly greeks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.91.137.53 (talk) 21:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Heritage

We Urums are fully aware of our Greek roots and only speak a Turkic-language. We do not consider ourselves Turkish, our ancestors were Greeks. Although today, many of our families have converted to Islam either by choice or by force, our ancestors were followers of the Greek Orthodox religion and we're able to trace our roots back to the Byzantine Empire. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.163.64 (talk) 23:01, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

LOL; sure...our family allways said we are Turkic christians, we are descendants of cumans from the village of üröm from hungary. We became forced orthodox christians by byzantine greeks, they called us Turkopouloi. but we kept our turkish language. We didn't learn our language from ottoman turks, because our language is cuman turkish, not ottoman turkish. We spoke Turkish long before the Ottomans came to Europe. We are turkic and christians like gagauz and karamanlides. To be turk, doesnt meant you must be muslim. Urumski (talk) 17:28, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Rum vs. Urum

Article reads:

In modern Turkish, the Urum spelling, despite being still used by some, is considered obsolete and is replaced by the spelling Rum.

As far as I know, both in Ottoman and Modern Turkish, Orthodox Christians in Anatolia have always been known as Rum روم, not Urum. I have modified the article; please clarify here if you think my edit is incorrect. --Macrakis (talk) 22:45, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

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Urums are Pontic.

It’s unbelievable that an admin would revert my changes based on basic evidence even from the article. Please engage,why do you think this language is not Pontic? Vofa (talk) 18:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Do you even have a source for what you changed and on the yakut page you claimed they were of tungusic origin, it is clear that you are here to vandalize Turkiishh (talk) 18:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I am not here to vandalise,I reverted back the changes on Yakut page months ago,I said that ,,they may have a closer connection to Tungusic people than Turkic,, I changed my stance long ago. Please stay on topic,I’ve shared the source in my edit. http://messagenetcommresearch.com/myths/ppt/Maeotians_1.html While you’re here,this is a Maeotian edit. I am not a vandal,but you are. Vofa (talk) 18:49, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Turkiishh I am here to admit that I have looked better into the question,and I admit that I was in the wrong. Please,don’t target me ever again. I also withdrawn all claims on edits that I’ve made in Turkic languages page,except for maintaining the Bulgaric family theory and studies. I also ask you to not vandalise Maeotian page as for that,I have sources which I’ve linked,and to my liking you respected it so far. Thank you,also,Nogai Page,I’ll edit it back,I’ve provided multiple sources yet you continue to edit war there. Let go of Nogai page too. Thank you,elveda ‏على بداية Vofa (talk) 19:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

you didn't change back at all, anyway we are talking about the language they spoke and it is turkic and don't vandalize if you don't have source Turkiishh (talk) 19:02, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I challenged it back by sending a source,check it in my latest edit here. Please do not mix ,,people,, with ,,languages,, thank you. I will not edit war further,I’ll leave it to someone else to save my skin. Vofa (talk) 19:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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• @Turkiishh:, you need to stop accusing other editors of Wikipedia:Vandalism unless you provide diffs and reasoning. If you continue to accuse others of Vandalism without evidence, I think you will find yourself blocked for personal attacks and failure to assume good faith.
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Romanization of Greek

Is there any reason Ουρούμ is romanized as Urúm? This doesn't match any major Romanization of Greek; I will change this to Ouroúm unless there is some objection. Underswamp (talk) 18:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)