Talk:Urtica

Conversion from redirect

This version of the "Nettle" article was agreed on the talk page to be a mixture of information about plants with stinging hairs in general, the family Urticaceae, the genus Urtica and the species (and its subspecies) Urtica dioica. As part of sorting this out, I have converted this page to an article, with some new material, and some moved from "Nettle" and rewritten. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:02, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Stinging Nettle Tea

In Germany, stinging nettles are drunk as tea. Common tea mixtures are with blackberry leaves, liquorice root and fennel, or with green tea (the latter called "Detox" by one company). Stinging nettle tea has the reputation of being healthy. 79.227.190.2 (talk) 01:07, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Spam source for nettle soup

The section below was removed for discussion. The supposed effects on 'health benefits' is not supported by a WP:MEDRS source. Please do not edit war, WP:WAR and caution about WP:3RR. --Zefr (talk) 01:31, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

In Mazandaran, a northern province of Iran, a soup (Āsh) is made using this plant. In Iranian traditional medicine, some health benefits for consuming nettles has been stated, such as decreasing blood sugar, blood fats and blood pressure.

References

ArminHP insists on using this source to support the statement that a nettle soup is consumed in Iran. First, it's such a trivial point that it questions WP:FRINGE and WP:UNDUE whether the statement is worthy of being mentioned in the article at all. Second, when one translates this source using Google, it reveals these statements, which I have copied from the Google translate page and put in italics and quotes verbatim: 1) "Nasal Drops reduce sugar, fat and blood pressure" (this is spam nonsense); 2) "A researcher on traditional medicine - describes the properties and the way of making ashtrays" (total nonsense); 3) "To cook some oatmeal, when cooked, add some plum or plum, and also add the nettles with the help of gloved to the top; fresh garlic and turmeric, some Add pomegranate sauce to the pool. He added, "Let it go, and then salt it." The amount of sourness this meal depends on the pickles and pomegranate juice. Try not to remove anything from the raw materials to keep the properties mentioned. The researcher noted: Be careful not to pick up new nettle, use thick gloves and scissors, and pick up young branches. If you do not find a new nettle, you can also use dry nettle." The translation confuses oatmeal with soup and mentions nettles as what appears to be a secondary garnish, not even the main soup ingredient.

In the past 48 hours, ArminHP has reverted my edits 6 times to include this nonsense source on a minor fringe topic. The topic - a soup - is not notable and falls under a fringe theory that this soup is sufficiently important in some way to be discussed in the article. Please stop the edit warring and stop wasting time on this topic and spam source. --Zefr (talk) 15:23, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Zefr Tries to portray as I am the user who is edit warring, but Zefr has repeatedly reverted my contributions without valid reasons. The very first paragraph of WP:WAR states that "Editors engaged in a dispute should reach consensus or pursue dispute resolution rather than edit warring. Edit warring is unconstructive and creates animosity between editors, making consensus harder to reach." I do believe that Zefr has made reaching a consensus harder. In my first edit, I stated that in Iranian Traditional Medicine, such effects have been stated. It did not make the conclusion that the effects are clinically approved. Despite these, as I believed this info may be considered as trivia, I removed them in further edits but reinserted the content regarding the food.

Once again, my reference was removed. Zefr uses Google Translate to call a non-English source "nonsense", which should obviously be disregarded as this tool is not a powerful tool to perform adequate translations. He also states that mention of this soup is a "trivial" and whatever the logic Zefr may have, the mention of other dishes in other cultures should be removed.

I believe this is a case of forcing a non-neutral POV and should not continue. ArminHP (talk) 03:45, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

When I saw this, just out of curiosity, I checked the website on Google Translate (which has come on a lot in the last few years). The parts Zefr quoted now turn out as as follows: 1)"Nettle soup lowers blood sugar, fat and blood pressure", 2) (can't identify this bit, but the page is now free of mentions of ashtrays), 3) "How to prepare nettle soup: cook some oatmeal, when it is half cooked, add some prunes or stewed plums, also chop the nettles with the help of gloves and add to the soup; Add fresh garlic, hot garlic and turmeric, some pomegranate paste to the soup. He added: Let the soup settle and then add salt to it. The acidity of this food depends on the acidity of the pomegranate and plum paste. Try not to remove anything from the raw materials so that the mentioned properties remain. "Be careful to pick fresh nettles, use thick gloves and scissors, and pick the young leaves at the top of the branch," the researcher noted. If you do not find fresh nettle, you can also use dried nettle." So it turns out it was, indeed, all Google Translate's fault. Still wouldn't call it a proper scientific reference for health benefits, any more than similar health-food websites in English, but it's certainly a perfectly good reference for nettle soup being a known thing in Iran. Wombat140 (talk) 08:36, 12 May 2021 (UTC)