Talk:Uriah Heep (David Copperfield)
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editCould someone link Seymore Fleming and Babes in Arms to their Wiki articles. Sith Lord 13 22:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Any idea what the name Uriah Hepp means? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.153.220.20 (talk) 16:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
"His references to David as "Master Copperfield" are repeated so often that they quickly seem insincere." I'm not sure if this is appropriate, since the honorifice "Master" was often ascribed to a young boy; Uriah Heep's calling David Copperfield "Master Copperfield" even later in his adulthood is patronizing. HappyKitty (talk) 18:09, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- I came here to make the same query. I've changed it. Stevage 05:59, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Proposal to move to Uriah Heep (character)
editJust so people are aware, there is a proposal (by me) to make this page the secondary Uriah Heep topic and move it to Uriah Heep (character). Uriah Heep (band) would become the primary topic and be moved to Uriah Heep. Please join in if anyone is opposed. --Tserton (talk) 10:14, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
Requested move 27 May 2022
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Character moved, but band not moved. A disambiguation page at the base name was suggested by many, and for good reason. Usage favours the band, but the character has greater long-term significance. This balances out to a lack of a primary topic, and thus both the band and the character should be disambiguated. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:34, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
– Make secondary topic as per the talk page discussion. Tserton (talk) 11:47, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
- This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:04, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- There was some discussion there, but not an official WP:RM discussion. Jethro Tull is handled differently, and the question was formally discussed in 2018. — BarrelProof (talk) 03:19, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- This primary topic swap is not what I'd consider uncontroversial. Needs a discussion. 162 etc. (talk) 04:18, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- I'm agnostic on whether we do disambiguation page or primary topic change - I only figured it would be uncontroversial because there were no responses to the (non-formal) discussions after over a month. Tserton (talk) 09:52, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support 1st, neutral 2nd. The band has 21,369 views compared with 8,891[[1]] for the character. The character may have more long-term significance as the band is named after it and PT swaps can cause problems thus it may be better to disambiguate. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:39, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
- Agree on disambiguation. The band is named after the character, but common usage is greater with the band.--Pgapunk (talk) 07:27, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Have a disambiguation page point to the articles.--Pgapunk (talk) 07:27, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Uriah Heep → Disambiguation page
- Disambiguation page → Uriah Heep (character)
- Disambiguation page → Uriah Heep (band)
Have both specific usages on disambiguation page. I didn't know the origin of the band name until a week ago, and I have been listening ton them since the 1970s. That's just me, but given the number of hits pages get, I am not an exception to the common usage of that name. As fans will likely dwindle in the future, I see this as temporary. The name is objectively ambiguouse between the litterary character and the band.--Pgapunk (talk) 07:27, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per Pgapunk. There is no obvious primary topic between the two (the original unofficial discussion was started because Google considers the band to be the primary topic), and this is a case where WP:TWODABS applies. Tevildo (talk) 06:52, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose 2nd. The character is the primary topic by long-term significance. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:26, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Necrothesp, the character should remain primary per long-term significance. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:50, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose either move, the character is the primary topic by long-term significance and also serves as a WP:CONCEPTDAB for the band named after the character. I see this as akin to the My Immortal/My Immortal (fan fiction) situation. feminist (talk) | never forget 05:43, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- Support 1st, neutral 2nd (as initiator of the debate). Page views (and search engines) decisively favour the band. Interest in the band may fade over the years or decades as the fan base dwindles, but that's a WP:CRYSTALBALL argument. In addition: at the moment (at least in my location), anyone who googles 'Uriah Heep' (and a lot of people find Wikipedia pages via search engines, not via the Wikipedia search bar) finds only the Wikipedia page for the band, even if they for some reason click through several pages of Google results. That means that, in addition to the Google algorithm considering the band the primary topic, a ton of people are left not knowing about the literary use of the term 'Uriah Heep,' unless they read through the History section of the article that mentions the band name's origin.--Tserton (talk) 09:02, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose both moves. I'm not a fan of WP:TWODAB pages without a really good reason - just pick one topic to "win" and use a hatnote to disambiguate. Per others, the character has the longer and more enduring impact, so it should have priority here - maybe if the band had 5x the views, but merely 3x is more questionable. (Second choice: Do the move as proposed. Definitely against the "disambiguate" compromise option.) SnowFire (talk) 02:15, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
Allusion
editDickens often named his characters obliquely with an undertone of what to expect - "Cratchit", "Scrooge", "Creakle", "Dedlock" (List of Dickensian characters). Uriah Heep seems obvious a pile of (bull) shit, "urea heap". I'm looking for a source that can draw the same allusion, in case anyone has a source. -- GreenC 17:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
Requested move 18 October 2024
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. In line with other book characters as proposed. WP:RMNOMIN. (closed by non-admin page mover) Raladic (talk) 03:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Uriah Heep (character) → Uriah Heep (David Copperfield) – This article was created in May 2002 as Uriah Heep. On 17 February 2006 it was moved to Uriah Heep (character), on 15 March to Uriah Heep (fictional character) and on 25 March to Uriah Heep (David Copperfield). In April 2009, it was moved back to Uriah Heep, thus again becoming the disambiguation page primary topic until June 2022 when, following an RM, the header was returned to Uriah Heep (character). While I would support this character's restoration to primary status, Dickens characters are disambiguated via the title of the novel, such as Estella (Great Expectations), Monks (Oliver Twist), Mrs Bardell (Pickwick Papers), Nancy (Oliver Twist), Pip (Great Expectations), The seamstress (A Tale of Two Cities) or Tiny Tim (A Christmas Carol), to name seven. Additionally, it is commonplace for characters from other novels, such as Frederick Wentworth (Persuasion), Sam Fisher (Splinter Cell), Will Parry (His Dark Materials), Carlo Rizzi (The Godfather) or Michael Rossi (Peyton Place). Another RM on this topic in general (Carl Johnson (Grand Theft Auto) → Carl Johnson (character)) is currently active at Talk:Carl Johnson (Grand Theft Auto)#Requested move 16 October 2024. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 03:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)