Talk:Upper West Side

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A map would be helpful

Shouldn't there be some mention of the Moon Palace, the Chinese restaurant that used to be on Broadway and ?113th Street? If only for the significance it has taken on through Auster's novel.

Harry's Shoes is a perfectly nice place for Cook to buy cheap shoes. But is this the WikiYellowPages? A more knowlegeable choice would have been "Barney Greengrass the Sturgeon King" Hattie Carnegie was on West 86th Street. Wetman 00:24, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I have to agree with Wetman, both re: Harry's and Barney Greengrass. I'm also not too sure why the Fairway market is mentioned, unless perhaps it's the first store in the chain? The cook in my family talks about the nearby Cittarella far more than she does the Fairway. 207.237.117.103 04:43, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Harry's I would delete, it's not significant. Barney Greengrass, Citarella and Fairway are indeed important. Citarella is good, but it's usually overpriced yuppie meats. Steve Jenkins of Fairway is the guy who wrote the Bible of cheese - "Cheese Primer." [1] [2]. Also nice would be a requiem for Shakespeare & Co. bookstore which used to be next to Zabar's. Sniff. Fuzheado | Talk 06:28, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

All you Upper West Siders think you're so clever because your page is bigger than the one for the UES, but all that the length of your article means is that you have more brains and time than things to do. Ta ta, UWS, I'm off to my charity ball.

The above comment is incredibly hilarious and typical. I have to assume somebody was being ironic. Anyway, it made me realize that this article could use a brief mention of the long-standing rivalry that exists between the Upper West Side and Upper East Side. I'll try to put in something brief about this, but I invite all others to give it a go if you feel like it.--Sophitus 23:24, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

The Apthorp "severe"? I think it's beautiful, and it's my favorite residential skyscraper in the whole city! Its sister building on the square block between 86th and 87th Sts./Broadway and Amsterdam also deserves mention (but I forget its name offhand).-Michael 10:06, July 09, 2005 (UTC)

"Severe" is beautiful too: crisp detail and subtle modulations of the flat surface; by comparison to the Ansonia, not so voluptupous and stagey. The building at 86th and Broadway is the Belnord Apartments (H. Hobart Weekes, arch., 1908) --Wetman 9 July 2005 17:00 (UTC)

Would it be objective or not to mention the takeover of Columbia building farther and farther down the Upper West Side? Because in the last couple years they have been builing more and more housing farther south. On 110th and 103rd, for example. It has to do with the community, I suppose. Also, there was a big uproar in the last year when the Gristede's was closed, and people were worried that the elderly would have to travel much farther up or downtown to get groceries. And then it collapsed due to violations from the builders. Does anyone have an update on that case? Because I know they're building steadily (I pass the construction everyday) but I don't know what the city is doing to the company. --Al 07:38, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

There! You've presented it in the perfect place. --Wetman 16:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry, what? I don't understand what you mean (and how do you indent?).--Al 21:55, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

You could put it on the page for Morningside Heights, which already has a "political" section --Podkayne 16:48, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

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"Sub" neighorhoods

An anonymous editor, 68.175.105.8, seems to be attempting to advance the idea that Morningside Heights is not part of the UWS, but rather that it simply a fantasy conjured by real-estate brokers. While I don't strongly disagree with this, I am uncomfortable with this series of edits – including removing a large amount of material from the page – being made without discussion on talk, particularly since it is advancing a determined point of view. Comments? –Joke 20:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

As the name of a neighborhood, "Morningside Heights" has been in use since the end of the 19th century, when it replaced "Bloomingdale Village" because the latter had undesirable connotations due to the Bloomingdale insane asylum which once existed on the heights. The edges of the area mean by "Morningside Heights" have have shifted about a bit, but its core remains the same. Additionally, MH has a somewhat distinct character due to its proximity to the Columbia, although this has varied depending on the level of gentrification of the Heights (i.e., it's much different now than it was in the '60s). I've lived either in Morningside Heights or adjacent to it for more than 10 years and I can testify that the folk of the neighborhood do feel they live in a separate 'hood. The "debate" about what content goes in the MH entry and the UWS entry really just highlights a problem which has developed in the UWS entry, the fractured way in which its geography is described. There's some material in the geography section, including reference to the "Ansonia neighborhood" which I had never seen used before (but I don't live near there), while any mention of Manhattan Valley is shoved way down the page. And check out the Manhattan Valley entry; now that's a nice entry written by someone who knows the territory. 169.154.204.2

P.S. It's rather amusing to see a photo of a Morningside Heights diner used as the only photo representing the Upper West Side. What, no pix of Lincoln Center, the Dakota, the natural history museum, the Ansonia, Zabar's, etc.? 169.154.204.2 02:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

This editor is quite correct. I moved from Morningside Heights to the Upper West Side in 1949. Too many know-it-alls. --Wetman 06:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Two imaginary "neighborhoods" I'd like to delete in the Geography section the whole discussion of "Lincoln Square" and the "Ansonia neighborhood." First of all, no one refers to the area around LINCOLN CENTER as Lincoln Square. And I've never ever heard anyone call the area around the Ansonia a neighborhood. Any complaints? (QV)

I don't think I ever heard that neighborhood called Lincoln Square until the Loew's/Sony Lincoln Square theater opened. And even now, I pretty much only hear that name used in reference to the theater. As for the Ansonia area, you may be right about that too, although in that case they at least had a post office in the 'hood known as the Ansonia Station. 207.237.214.162 05:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Notable residents

I think a section of "notable residents" would be appropriate on this page. Robertknyc 07:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

At Wikipedia they'll all be pop singers or actors =yawn= The list in the neighborhood history Upper West Side Story might be noted though. --Wetman 10:58, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Certainly we could hark back to the days when "quality" lived on the UWS: Frank Costello, Myer Lansky and Lucky Luciano lived in the Majestic; Polly Adler, the famous madam, first set up shop on Riverside or West End; Alonzo Hannigan - famous as Lon of New York - the 50's/early 60's beefcake photographer lived on West End in Mae West's former apartment; Alan Helms the "Golden Boy" rent boy of the Fifties (A Boy from the Provinces) lived up by ColumbiaJfpessoa 23:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Picture of Tom's Cafe deleted

I think a conventional definition of the Upper West Side is between 59th Street and 96th Street. We can get into a lot of discussion on whether the northern boundary of the Upper West Side is 96th Street, 110th Street or 120th or 125th Street and this boundary debate should be on this page, but as a representative picture of the Upper West Side, I don't think Toms Restaurant, an establishment technically in Morningside Heights, belongs on thsi page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rtd2101 (talk • contribs) 22:22, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

Convert to lists

Both the "education" and "Food and Gourmet" sections are becoming outright lists. I propose that we move the education list to a separate page "List of schools on the Upper West Side" and keep the sections for the truly notable - Bank Street, Columbia, Fordham, perhaps 1 or 2 others. As for Food & Gourmet, does it really merit inclusion? --AndrewHowse 20:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Tom's Restaurant (Manhattan)

I took off the photo of Tom's Restaurant (Manhattan) since it is on 112th Street. Even the article for Tom's identifies it with Morningside Heights and not the UWS. Surely, there are better photos of the neighborhood than of a diner that isn't even in the hood? K72ndst 23:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Ahhm... surely you know that Morningside Heights is generally considered to be in the Upper West Side, right? You will notice that we have a reference from a reliable source indicating this. Plus, one of the two remaining pictures on the page is of some cafes directly across the street. If you're going remove the Tom's image, remove that image, too! -/- Warren 23:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I'm going to get some better photos this week then. Thanks. K72ndst 23:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Isnt this neighborhood pretty bad on the farthest south (60th streeth) and on 100th street? Especially in the late 80's and early 90's. I remember seeing people get mugged in the streets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.235.16 (talk) 01:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

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What are the papers of the Upper West Side

The West Village has The Villager. Brooklyn has The Brooklyn Eagle, Brooklyn magazine, among other publications. Would be great to list the local papers of this area.--A21sauce (talk) 19:06, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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Map boundary incorrect

The black boundary in the map image excludes Manhattan Valley which is part of the UWS. The coordinates here and on wikidata don’t seem to affect the boundary coordinates. Seems it might have something to do with OpenStreetMap. Anyone know how to fix this? Here’s what the boundary should look like: https://www.google.com/maps?client=safari&hl=en-us&um=1&ie=UTF-8&fb=1&gl=us&entry=s&sa=X&ll=40.7870106,-73.9753676&z=14&ftid=0x89c25882fb30bbd5:0x5e26248b46dfc46c&q=Upper+West+Side,+New+York,+NY&gmm=CgIgAQ%3D%3D&ved=2ahUKEwjTtI3vsbPjAhVDZM0KHev1D98Q8gEwAnoECBAQCg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:C583:900:1CA3:612:9684:40D2 (talk) 02:44, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for pointing out the problem, I have fixed it. Manhattan Valley is apparently another attribute altogether, Manhattan Valley (Q1670850). epicgenius (talk) 03:05, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Hey Epicgenius! Does the black line on the map for this article being put across both 96th and 110th signify that the neighborhood boundaries are contested between those two places? I've seen this in a couple places and I think it might be confusing for readers, however at the same time it is nearly impossible to truly resolve these never-ending neighborhood boundary debates (and I haven't even looked at the downtown articles yet...) The Spirit of Oohoowahoo (talk) 18:41, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

“In popular culture” section introduction is nonsensical

I’m not sure what happened but the opening paragraph of this section does not make any sense.

“Ever since Edward R. Murrow went "Person-to-Person" live, the length of Central Park West in the 1950s, West Siders scarcely pause to gape at on-site trailers, and jump their skateboards over coaxial cables. At one time it seemed that one or another of the various Law & Order shows took up all the available parking spaces in the neighborhood.”

Ckoerner (talk) 01:59, 25 October 2021 (UTC)