Talk:University of Notre Dame Australia

Photo Request

I've removed the reqphoto template from this article as a photo has been provided. Gerritius (talk) 14:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

NPOV

seems like an advertisement unsigned.

Could you specify what section/words you're referring to?

Yoda921 09:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)Yoda

---It really does seem to be an advertisement. "Going from strength to strength", "wel known for.." (is it *actually* well known? Not really.)-- The tone of this page needs to be changed to a more neutral tone. Maybe I'll even get around to it sometime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.238.8 (talk) 07:13, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move 17 August 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline (talk) 18:44, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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University of Notre Dame Australia → The University of Notre Dame Australia – This is the full legal name of the University as per section 4 of the University of Notre Dame Australia Act 1989 (WA) – NDMCO (talk) 04:58, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Probably needs a full discussion to see how independent reliable sources refer to it. See also WP:THE, just because it's the full legal name is not reason enough to move it. Jenks24 (talk) 08:01, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:54, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:THE and WP:OFFICIALNAME. Note that its own acronym is UNDA and not TUNDA. The definite article does not appear to commonly be capitalised within running text. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:16, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
• Strongly oppose per above. — the Man in Question (in question) 00:57, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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Close Connection

Hello, I am employed by Notre Dame and have been reviewing the Wikipedia page as significant parts of it are outdated or unsubstantiated or irrelevant. On 4 September 2015 I started editing the page with minor edits in the info box. I have seen today (7 September 2015) that there is a 'close connection' warning at the top of the article. I am certainly aware that we can't use the Wikipedia page as a marketing tool, but it is important that the information on it is accurate and up-to-date. What is the best way to proceed with this? Would it be okay for me to make edits and then someone can review them for neutrality? Please help! NDMCO (talk) 03:42, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

The general principle is that anyone with a potential conflict of interest (such as yourself with this article) should normally request or propose changes to be made on the talk page instead of doing so themselves. Minor factual edits, such as updating people's names, is normally okay. If you haven't Already then you need to read the Conflict of Interest guidelines at WP:COI. Anglicanus (talk) 06:01, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Requested change to introduction

Current:

The University of Notre Dame Australia (UNDA) is an Australian private Catholic university established in 1989 in the Western Australian port city of Fremantle. Although it is a private university, Notre Dame receives significant government funding. While the university claims "strong collegial links"[1] with the American University of Notre Dame located in Notre Dame, Indiana, they are separate institutions.

Proposed:

The University of Notre Dame Australia (Notre Dame) is an Australian private not-for-profit Catholic university with three campuses in Fremantle, Sydney and Broome.

Justification:

The University is never referred to as UNDA, it is always abbreviated as Notre Dame. I would like to redo the current history section with a proper verifiable and referenced version (I have prepared this but one thing at a time!). I've added the parts about the campuses because I think that is information that belongs in an intro. I have removed the second sentence because it is unverifiable - there is nothing on the Notre Dame website that backs those parts up.

Suggested Changes to Notre Dame Page- April 2019

I am an employee at the University of Notre Dame and in reviewing the Wikipedia page have noticed a few things that need to be corrected/ updated:

1. Vice Chancellor is no longer Professor Celia Hammond. The Acting Vice Chancellor is currently Peter Tranter.

2. Under 'Campuses' Heading: There are eight Clinical Schools located in Sydney, Melbourne and in rural locations across the east coast. The eighth is Riverina Regional Training Hub (RRTH).

3. Under 'Academics' Heading: Where it states "The university offers a range of undergraduate, postgraduate, research, vocational education and training (VET) and pathway courses..." there are courses to be added under each school. The following courses that need to be added are as follows:

Arts and Sciences: Politics and International Relations, English Literature, Communications and Media, Film and Screen Production, Advertising, Applied Psychology, Behavioural Science, Biology and Environment, Environment and Heritage, Human and Medical Science, Photography, Philosophy, Theology, Environmental Management.

Business: Advertising, Business, Business Administration, Business Leadership, Human Resource Management.

4. Under 'Notable People' Heading: Celia Hammond is not the current Vice Chancellor. The current acting Vice Chancellor is Peter Tranter. The future Vice Chancellor will be Professor Francis Campbell (commencing January 2020).

--NDAustralia (talk) 04:51, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done except three - interested people can go to your website for that, WP is not for marketing. Do you have a source for statement 4? In future you can use the {{requested edit}} template and someone will people answer quicker than I have. Thanks Aloneinthewild (talk) 20:54, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Proposed changes to introduction

I am an employee at the University of Notre Dame Australia. I'm working on a series of changes to update/flesh out the wiki page with more factual information about the University. These will most likely be small changes submitted one at a time. I will use brackets and a number, like so (1), for new information with the source found at the corresponding number in the final paragraph 'References supporting changes'.

Extended content

Information to be added or removed: Current introduction: The University of Notre Dame Australia is a national Roman Catholic private university with campuses in Fremantle and Broome in Western Australia, and Sydneyin New South Wales. The university also has seven clinical schools as part of its School of Medicine located across Sydney, Melbourne, and in regional NSW and Victoria. Notre Dame is not part of the WA Tertiary Institutions Service Centre (TISC) or the NSW Universities Admissions Centre and students apply directly to the university through its admissions process. Proposed introduction: The University of Notre Dame Australia is a national Roman Catholic private university with campuses in Fremantle and Broome in Western Australia, and Sydney in New South Wales. The university also has eight clinical schools as part of its School of Medicine located across Sydney, Melbourne, and in regional NSW and Victoria.(1) Notre Dame is not part of the WA Tertiary Institutions Service Centre (TISC) or the NSW Universities Admissions Centre and students apply directly to the university through its admissions process. The university crest is an open Bible. The waves below the open Bible represents the Fremantle area, where the University was founded, and Australia, a nation surrounded by water. Remove from 'Organisation and administration' section: Final paragraph - The university crest is an open Bible. The waves below the open Bible represents the Fremantle area, where the University was founded, and Australia, a nation surrounded by water. Explanation of issue: There is a factual error in the second sentence, Notre Dame has eight clinical schools not seven. The final paragraph in the 'Organisation and administration' section is not relevant to that section and is more suitible in the introduction. Please remove from 'Organisation and administration' and add to the introduction. References supporting changes: 1: https://www.notredame.edu.au/about/schools/sydney/medicine/clinical-schools NDAustralia (talk) 06:25, 28 May 2019 (UTC) Proposed changes to 'Adademics I am an employee at the University of Notre Dame Australia. I'm working on a series of changes to update/flesh out the wiki page with more factual information about the University. These will most likely be small changes submitted one at a time. I will use brackets and a number, like so (1), for new information with the source found at the corresponding number in the final paragraph 'References supporting changes'. Information to be added or removed: Rename the section 'Academics' to 'Academic Profile'. Under the newly named section 'Academic Profile' update content from the old section as shown below. Previous: All undergraduate students must take the Core Curriculum as part of their degree. The Core Curriculum comprises units of study in Theology, Philosophy and Ethics. Notre Dame's Medicine students study a unique Core unit known as Bioethics, whilst students on the Broome Campus study ‘Aboriginal People and Spirituality’ as part of their degree. Notre Dame's degrees in the areas of accounting, counselling, education, human resource management, law, management, medicine, nursing and midwifery, and physiotherapy all meet accreditation requirements of the relevant state, national and/or professional bodies. The university offers a range of undergraduate, postgraduate, research, vocational education and training (VET) and pathway courses. Suggested: All undergraduate students must undertake courses in Theology, Philosophy and Ethics. This is known at the Core Curriculum in Fremantle, and the LOGOS Programme in Sydney.(1)(2) Notre Dame's Medicine students study a unique Core course, Bioethics, whilst students on the Broome Campus study Aboriginal People and Spirituality as part of their degree. Notre Dame's degrees and majors in accounting, counselling, education, human resource management, law, management, medicine, nursing and midwifery, and physiotherapy all meet accreditation requirements of the relevant state, national and/or professional bodies. The university offers a range of undergraduate, postgraduate, research, vocational education and training (VET) and pathway courses. Explanation of issue: Changing the section from 'Academics' to 'Academic Profile' will assist with future changes I have planned, which include adding sub-sections for 'Admissions', 'Teaching and Learning', 'Rankings', 'Research', and 'Libraries'. Differentiating the difference between Core Curriculum and the LOGOS Programme is a matter of factual difference between the Sydney and Fremantle campuses. Changes to the first two paragraphs as Notre Dame now refers to 'courses' rather than 'units'. Some minor changes to the second paragraph to ensure consistency in naming courses. Minor change to the third paragraph as it is not accurate to describe these as degrees, for example accounting is not a degree offered at Notre Dame but is a major within the Bachelor of Commerce. Referring to them as "degrees and majors" resolves this issue. References supporting changes: 1: https://www.notredame.edu.au/study/core-curriculum 2: https://www.notredame.edu.au/about/schools/sydney/philosophy-and-theology/school-resources

NDAustralia (talk) 08:19, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Reply 28-MAY-2019

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Notes

Revised: Proposed changes to introduction

I am an employee at the University of Notre Dame Australia. I'm working on a series of changes to update/flesh out the wiki page with more factual information about the University. These will most likely be small changes submitted one at a time.

Extended content

Information to be added or removed: Current introduction: The University of Notre Dame Australia is a national Roman Catholic private university with campuses in Fremantle and Broome in Western Australia, and Sydneyin New South Wales. The university also has seven clinical schools as part of its School of Medicine located across Sydney, Melbourne, and in regional NSW and Victoria. Notre Dame is not part of the WA Tertiary Institutions Service Centre (TISC) or the NSW Universities Admissions Centre and students apply directly to the university through its admissions process. Proposed introduction: The University of Notre Dame Australia is a national Roman Catholic private university with campuses in Fremantle and Broome in Western Australia, and Sydney in New South Wales. The university also has eight clinical schools as part of its School of Medicine located across Sydney, Melbourne, and in regional NSW and Victoria. Notre Dame is not part of the WA Tertiary Institutions Service Centre (TISC) or the NSW Universities Admissions Centre and students apply directly to the university through its admissions process. The university crest is an open Bible. The waves below the open Bible represents the Fremantle area, where the University was founded, and Australia, a nation surrounded by water. Remove from 'Organisation and administration' section: Final paragraph - The university crest is an open Bible. The waves below the open Bible represents the Fremantle area, where the University was founded, and Australia, a nation surrounded by water. Explanation of issue: There is a factual error in the second sentence, Notre Dame has eight clinical schools not seven. The final paragraph in the 'Organisation and administration' section is not relevant to that section and is more suitable in the introduction. Please remove from 'Organisation and administration' and add to the introduction. I am an employee at the University of Notre Dame Australia. I'm working on a series of changes to update/flesh out the wiki page with more factual information about the University. These will most likely be small changes submitted one at a time. Information to be added or removed: Rename the section 'Academics' to 'Academic Profile'. Under the newly named section 'Academic Profile' update content from the old section as shown below. Previous: All undergraduate students must take the Core Curriculum as part of their degree. The Core Curriculum comprises units of study in Theology, Philosophy and Ethics. Notre Dame's Medicine students study a unique Core unit known as Bioethics, whilst students on the Broome Campus study ‘Aboriginal People and Spirituality’ as part of their degree. Notre Dame's degrees in the areas of accounting, counselling, education, human resource management, law, management, medicine, nursing and midwifery, and physiotherapy all meet accreditation requirements of the relevant state, national and/or professional bodies. The university offers a range of undergraduate, postgraduate, research, vocational education and training (VET) and pathway courses. Suggested: All undergraduate students must undertake courses in Theology, Philosophy and Ethics. This is known at the Core Curriculum in Fremantle, and the LOGOS Programme in Sydney. Notre Dame's Medicine students study a unique Core course, Bioethics, whilst students on the Broome Campus study Aboriginal People and Spirituality as part of their degree. Notre Dame's degrees and majors in accounting, counselling, education, human resource management, law, management, medicine, nursing and midwifery, and physiotherapy all meet accreditation requirements of the relevant state, national and/or professional bodies. The university offers a range of undergraduate, postgraduate, research, vocational education and training (VET) and pathway courses. Explanation of issue: Changing the section from 'Academics' to 'Academic Profile' will assist with future changes I have planned, which include adding sub-sections for 'Admissions', 'Teaching and Learning', 'Rankings', 'Research', and 'Libraries'. Differentiating the difference between Core Curriculum and the LOGOS Programme is a matter of factual difference between the Sydney and Fremantle campuses. Changes to the first two paragraphs as Notre Dame now refers to 'courses' rather than 'units'. Some minor changes to the second paragraph to ensure consistency in naming courses, e.g. inconsistent use of 'quotes'. Minor change to the third paragraph as it is not accurate to describe some of these as degrees, for example accounting is not a degree offered at Notre Dame but is a major within the Bachelor of Commerce. Referring to them as "degrees and majors" resolves this issue. References

OurLady (talk) 07:08, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Reply 29-MAY-2019

Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes within the proposal review section below for information on each request.  Spintendo  10:44, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Proposal review 29-MAY-2019

The University of Notre Dame Australia is a national Roman Catholic private university with campuses in Fremantle and Broome in Western Australia, and Sydney in New South Wales. The university also has eight clinical schools as part of its School of Medicine located across Sydney, Melbourne, and in regional NSW and Victoria. Notre Dame is not part of the WA Tertiary Institutions Service Centre (TISC) or the NSW Universities Admissions Centre and students apply directly to the university through its admissions process. The university crest is an open Bible. The waves below the open Bible represents the Fremantle area, where the University was founded, and Australia, a nation surrounded by water.  Approved. Rename the section 'Academics' to 'Academic Profile'.  Declined. All undergraduate students must undertake courses in Theology, Philosophy and Ethics. This is known at the Core Curriculum in Fremantle, and the LOGOS Programme in Sydney. Notre Dame's Medicine students study a unique Core course, Bioethics, whilst students on the Broome Campus study Aboriginal People and Spirituality as part of their degree.  Approved. Notre Dame's degrees and majors in accounting, counselling, education, human resource management, law, management, medicine, nursing and midwifery, and physiotherapy all meet accreditation requirements of the relevant state, national and/or professional bodies. Clarification needed. The university offers a range of undergraduate, postgraduate, research, vocational education and training (VET) and pathway courses.  Declined. ___________

Proposed changes to 'Academics'

I am an employee at the University of Notre Dame Australia. I'm working on a series of changes to update/flesh out the wiki page with more factual information about the University. These will most likely be small changes submitted one at a time.

Extended content

Information to be added or removed: Add a third paragraph to ‘Academics’ section as follows: The university is a self-accrediting institution and is subject to regular quality audits and registration processes undertaken by the Tertiary Education Quality Standards Agency. Remove the following paragraph from ‘Organisation and administration’ section: The university is a self-accrediting institution and is subject to regular quality audits and registration processes undertaken by the Tertiary Education Quality and Standards Agency. Explanation of issue: The information about accreditation is better suited to ‘Academics’ rather than ‘Organisation and administration’ as it is part of the academic profile of the university, not an organisational or administrative detail. References have also been updated. OurLady (talk) 03:24, 5 June 2019 (UTC) Proposed changes to 'Student Life' section I am an employee at the University of Notre Dame Australia. I'm working on a series of changes to update/flesh out the wiki page with more factual information about the University. These will most likely be small changes submitted one at a time. Information to be added or removed: See section ‘Student Life’: “Current:” Fremantle Campus has three libraries: St Teresa's Library, the Galvin Medical Library and the Craven Law Library. Sydney Campus has St Benedict's Library (Broadway) and the Benedict XVI Medical Library (Darlinghurst). There is also a library on the Broome Campus. Notre Dame has dedicated Student Services Offices where students can seek career advice, take part in on-Campus activities, join social clubs, participate in sporting events and volunteer in the local community. The Sydney and Fremantle Campus both have representative student associations, created to represent all the students at each campus. The Sydney Campus is home to the Student Association of the University of Notre Dame Australia (SAUNDA), while the Fremantle Campus hosts the Notre Dame Student Association (NDSA). These organisations are currently not recognised in the University statues, making them Student Associations and not Guilds Mass is celebrated each weekday on the Fremantle and Sydney Campuses, and on Wednesdays in Broome. The student population across Australia at Notre Dame campuses numbers 12, 394 as of February 2018. 6, 544 of these being in Fremantle, 5, 685 in Sydney and 165 in Broome. “Suggested:” Notre Dame has dedicated Student Services Offices where students can seek career advice, take part in on-Campus activities, join social clubs, participate in sporting events and volunteer in the local community. The Sydney and Fremantle Campus both have representative student associations, created to represent all the students at each campus. The Sydney Campus is home to the Student Association of the University of Notre Dame Australia (SAUNDA), while the Fremantle Campus hosts the Notre Dame Student Association (NDSA). These organisations are currently not recognised in the University statues, making them Student Associations and not Guilds Mass is celebrated each weekday and on Sunday evening on the Fremantle campus, weekdays on the Sydney campus, and on Wednesdays on Broome campus. The student population across Australia at Notre Dame campuses numbers 12, 394 as of February 2018. 6, 544 of these being in Fremantle, 5, 685 in Sydney and 165 in Broome. Explanation of issue: Remove the first paragraph which discusses libraries, this information belongs in 'Academics' section rather than 'Student Life', I will request for the information to be added to 'Academics' in a different edit request. I have added the missing citation for the new first paragraph (second paragraph in original) referring to Student Services. I have added citations and made clarifications for mass on the different campuses. OurLady (talk) 03:41, 5 June 2019 (UTC) Addition of 'Rankings' sub-section of 'Academics I am an employee at the University of Notre Dame Australia. I'm working on a series of changes to update/flesh out the wiki page with more factual information about the University. These will most likely be small changes submitted one at a time. Information to be added or removed: Create a new sub-section under ‘Academics’ titled ‘Rankings’ Add the following text to new sub-section ‘Rankings’: The Australian Government’s Quality Indicators for Learning and Teaching 2018 Student Experience Survey results place Notre Dame as one of the top universities in Australia. Undergraduate Results Overall Quality of Educational Experience – 2nd National, 1st WA, 2nd NSW. Teaching Quality – 3rd National, 1st WA, 2nd NSW. Skills Development – 2nd National, 1st WA, 1st NSW. Learner Engagement – 2nd National, 1st WA, 1st NSW. Student Support – 3rd National, 1st WA, 2nd NSW. Postgraduate by Coursework Results Overall Quality of Educational Experience – 3rd National, 1st WA, 3rd NSW. Teaching Quality – 2nd National, 1st WA, 2nd NSW. Skills Development – 1st National, 1st WA, 1st NSW. Learner Engagement – 1st National, 1st WA, 1st NSW. Student Support – 2nd National, 1st WA, 1st NSW. Explanation of issue: A new sub-section needs to be created to have somewhere to place the University’s rankings. I’ve included some recent rankings to get this section started. References

OurLady (talk) 03:54, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Reply 04-JUN-2019

  Edit request partially implemented  

1. N The processes of accreditation, in particular how that accreditation is administered and by whom, are all ultimately administrative decisions because they are made with the input of those charged with administering the school. If these decisions are made by others elsewhere, then this should be included with references verifying their decisions and which state they are not made by those in the administration.
2. N The section changes described under Student life were not made because not all of the information in those sections was referenced. Please note that if particular claims are requested to have references added to them, then those particular claims only should be described in the request, taking care to leave out claims which are and will continue to be unreferenced after a request is implemented.
3. Y The citation needed inline template which was placed in the Student life section was deleted, as the text which it was appended to has been removed. It goes without saying that the mentioning of the Student services department as existing for the services of students is self-explanatory, and is something not required to be mentioned.
4. N The section changes proposed for the Rankings subsection were not added, as they are unreferenced. Please note that each bullet point ought to have its own ref tag indicating a verifying reference source.

Regards,  Spintendo  04:36, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

REPLY 04-JUN-2019

I'm wondering why the 'Student services' information cannot be included? It was part of the previous WP page for ND, and I think that the information is relevant. For someone wanting to glean factual information about the university from WP, that information seems relevant. Although the information may seem self-evident, the sentence explains exactly what the student services offices provide.

I'm also wondering if the information in the paragraph about 'masses' can be updated as shown below:

Mass is celebrated each weekday and on Sunday evening on the Fremantle campus, weekdays on the Sydney campus, and on Wednesdays on the Broome campus.

--OurLady (talk) 06:28, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Revised: Addition of 'Rankings' sub-section of 'Academics'

I am an employee at the University of Notre Dame Australia. I'm working on a series of changes to update/flesh out the wiki page with more factual information about the University. These will most likely be small changes submitted one at a time.

Extended content

Information to be added or removed: Create a new sub-section under ‘Academics’ titled ‘Rankings’ Add the following text to new sub-section ‘Rankings’: The Australian Government’s Quality Indicators for Learning and Teaching 2018 Student Experience Survey results place Notre Dame as one of the top universities in Australia. Undergraduate Results Overall Quality of Educational Experience – 2nd National, 1st WA, 2nd NSW. Teaching Quality – 3rd National, 1st WA, 2nd NSW. Skills Development – 2nd National, 1st WA, 1st NSW. Learner Engagement – 2nd National, 1st WA, 1st NSW. Student Support – 3rd National, 1st WA, 2nd NSW. Postgraduate by Coursework Results Overall Quality of Educational Experience – 3rd National, 1st WA, 3rd NSW. Teaching Quality – 2nd National, 1st WA, 2nd NSW. Skills Development – 1st National, 1st WA, 1st NSW. Learner Engagement – 1st National, 1st WA, 1st NSW. Student Support – 2nd National, 1st WA, 1st NSW. Explanation of issue: A new sub-section needs to be created to have somewhere to place the University’s rankings. I’ve included some recent rankings to get this section started. Addition of 'History' section I am an employee at the University of Notre Dame Australia. I'm working on a series of changes to update/flesh out the wiki page with more factual information about the University. These will most likely be small changes submitted one at a time. Information to be added or removed: Create a new section titled ‘History’ to be inserted after the introduction and before the section ‘Campuses’. Information to go in new section 'History': In 1945, Father Patrick Duffy, an American navy chaplain, met Cardinal Norman Thomas Gilroy, Archbishop of Sydney, to discuss the possibility of the University of Notre Dame and the Congregation of Holy Cross being involved in the establishment of the first private Catholic university in Australia. At the time, there were roughly 1.5 million Catholics living in Australia and an established network of Catholic primary and secondary schools. Cardinal Gilroy believed that there was a strong appetite for a Catholic university and that it would enable the education of an “elite Catholic laity that had been the glory of the church in the United States”. The project was pursued for a number of years and property was purchased in Sydney on behalf of Holy Cross in 1948, but ultimately the Charter to establish the university was never acquired and the endeavour was abandoned in 1953. In the mid-1980s, concerns were raised that State universities were not able to properly train lay teachers to work in Catholic primary and secondary schools in Western Australia. The idea of a private Catholic university again surfaced, this time on the opposite side of the Australian continent. Peter Tannock, who headed the Catholic Education Office of Western Australia, discussed these concerns with William Foley, Archbishop of Perth. They enlisted the help of Denis Horgan, a local Catholic businessman and founder of Leeuwin Estate, who they hoped would provide financial assistance in establishing the university. Horgan was supportive of the idea, as long as the institution would provide more than teacher education. A small Planning Committee with Tannock, Horgan, Foley and Michael Quinlan, a Catholic physician, was established and developed the plan for a Catholic university with a number of sites in Western Australia that would provide medical and nursing education, among other fields. The University was created through the University of Notre Dame Australia Act 1989 in the Parliament of Western Australia. The Act was given assent on 9 January 1990, the university was inaugurated on 2 July 1991 and classes commenced in February 1992. The first College, the College of Education, had 35 postgraduate students in this first year and the University of Notre Dame (US) sent 25 study abroad students to spend a semester at the Fremantle campus. --OurLady (talk) 08:54, 5 June 2019 (UTC) Proposed changes to 'Campuses' section I am an employee at the University of Notre Dame Australia. I'm working on a series of changes to update/flesh out the wiki page with more factual information about the University. These will most likely be small changes submitted one at a time. Information to be added or removed: After the first paragraph, add the following: The Fremantle campus occupies a number of buildings in the historic West End of the city, a designated heritage precinct famous for its late Georgian and Victorian-style architecture. The university has worked to restore the traditional architecture as it has purchased buildings since its establishment in 1992. Due to the presence of Notre Dame, Fremantle is commonly referred to as a “university town” much like older university towns in Europe and is the only one of its kind in Australia. --OurLady (talk) 03:50, 6 June 2019 (UTC) Proposed changes to 'Notable people' section I am an employee at the University of Notre Dame Australia. I'm working on a series of changes to update/flesh out the wiki page with more factual information about the University. These will most likely be small changes submitted one at a time. Information to be added or removed: In the ‘Notable People’ section, create two new sub-sections as follows: Chancellors Chris Ellison: 2017 - Present Terence Tobin, QC: 2011 - 2017 Michael Quinlan: 2008 - 2011 Neville John Owen: 2005 - 2008 Vice-Chancellors Francis Campbell: Commencing January 2020 Celia Hammond: 2008 - 2019 Peter Tannock: 1992 - 2008 David Link: 1990 - 1992 References

--OurLady (talk) 08:09, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Reply 06-JUN-2019

1. The academic ratings section contains information placed as a list. When items in a list number more than 2 specific parts (such as name, date, and position) they need to be made into a table.
2. The history section needs to be rewritten to omit irrelevant information. This would include information such as:
   1. Concerns raised that State universities were not able to properly train lay teachers to work in Catholic primary and secondary schools
   2. The support enlisted of various non-notable third parties in financing the school
3. The list of Chancellors should use the following format:

John Smith	Dates
Jane Doe	Dates 1897–1931 (example)
Name	Dates
Name	Dates

That format preserves the spacing between the dates and the names. Regards,  Spintendo  02:03, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Reply 15 June 2019

1. I take your point regarding the table, but wish you had noted this in a previous edit request response dealing with this information where you only noted the absence of citations for each piece of information. It would save us both time if you could highlight multiple flaws within the same response.
2. Information regarding lay teachers and Catholic schools is not irrelevant, it is the entire reason the university was established. This information should be reflected in the 'History' section. Additionally, Horgan is not a non-notable third party. He was instrumental in the establishment of the university; he is also a notable West Australian businessman, so I think it is only fair to include his role in establishing the university.
3. I take your point regarding the list of Chancellors, and will make a separate edit request reflecting those changes.
4. You have not addressed the request to include the information regarding the Fremantle campus. I will include this again below.

Information to be added or removed:

The Fremantle campus occupies a number of buildings in the historic West End of the city, a designated heritage precinct famous for its late Georgian and Victorian-style architecture. The university has worked to restore the traditional architecture as it has purchased buildings since its establishment in 1992. Due to the presence of Notre Dame, Fremantle is commonly referred to as a “university town” much like older university towns in Europe and is the only one of its kind in Australia.

--OurLady (talk) 08:36, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Reply 15-JUN-2019

 Clarification required

The text states "a number of buildings" which is unclear how many exactly. "The university has worked to restore the traditional architecture as it has purchased buildings since its establishment in 1992" Is also unclear—does the university's purchase of these buildings constitute the act of restoration alone, or were the buildings purchased and then restored? The word as (which is used in US English to indicate that something happens during the time when something is taking place) implies that the restoration is the thing happening at the time the purchase is taking place, when the purchase of a building ostensibly occurs in a time frame removed by more than a few days if not a few weeks from the actual act of restoration. My apologies if this is an Aussie English variation of the word as that I'm not familiar with.

 Spintendo  14:10, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposed changes to 'Student life' section

I am an employee at the University of Notre Dame Australia. I'm working on a series of changes to update/flesh out the wiki page with more factual information about the University. These will most likely be small changes submitted one at a time.

Information to be added or removed:

Current:

Mass is celebrated each weekday on the Fremantle and Sydney Campuses, and on Wednesdays in Broome.

Proposed:

Mass is celebrated each weekday and on Sunday evening on the Fremantle campus, weekdays on the Sydney campus, and on Wednesdays on the Broome campus.

Explanation of issue:

Updating/fixing references. Clarifying the differences between mass on each campus, and providing a citation for each.

--OurLady (talk) 08:51, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Reply 15-JUN-2019

 Done

 Spintendo  13:46, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

References

Amended: Proposed addition of 'Rankings' sub-section

I am an employee at the University of Notre Dame Australia. I'm working on a series of changes to update/flesh out the wiki page with more factual information about the University. These will most likely be small changes submitted one at a time.

Information to be added or removed:

Create a new sub-section under ‘Academics’ titled ‘Rankings’

Add the following text to new sub-section ‘Rankings’:

The Australian Government’s Quality Indicators for Learning and Teaching 2018 Student Experience Survey results place Notre Dame as one of the top universities in Australia.

Undergraduate results

Category	Western Australia	New South Wales	National
Overall Quality of Educational Experience	1st	2nd	2nd
Teaching Quality	1st	2nd	3rd
Skills Development	1st	1st	2nd
Learner Engagement	1st	1st	2nd
Student Support	1st	2nd	3rd

Postgraduate by Coursework results

Category	Western Australia	New South Wales	National
Overall Quality of Educational Experience	1st	3rd	3rd
Teaching Quality	1st	2nd	2nd
Skills Development	1st	1st	1st
Learner Engagement	1st	1st	1st
Student Support	1st	1st	2nd

Explanation of issue:

A new sub-section needs to be created to have somewhere to place the University’s rankings. I’ve included some recent rankings to get this section started.

--OurLady (talk) 09:28, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Reply 15-JUN-2019

Not done
The definitions for each category have not been included. There is a danger in announcing ratings based on a value which may or may not be universal. For the proper context to be delivered, the reader ought to understand, at a glance, what each category designation entails as it pertains to the table at hand. Some categories, like "Teaching quality", are straightforward. Others such as "Student Support" (financial? emotional? academic?) and "Learner engagement" (participation? interaction? cooperation?) are less so. The document which these figures originated from felt the need to provide their results along with definitions for each result shown. The COI editor is suggesting with this proposal that half of that information be omitted.

 Spintendo  13:46, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

References

Revised: Proposed changes to 'Notable people' section

I am an employee at the University of Notre Dame Australia. I'm working on a series of changes to update/flesh out the wiki page with more factual information about the University. These will most likely be small changes submitted one at a time.

Information to be added or removed:

In the ‘Notable People’ section, create two new sub-sections as follows:

Chancellors

Name	Dates
Chris Ellison	2017 – Present
Terence Tobin, QC	2011 – 2017
Michael Quinlan	2008 – 2011
Neville John Owen	2005 – 2008

Vice-Chancellors

Name	Dates
Francis Campbell	from January 2020
Celia Hammond	2008 – 2019
Peter Tannock	1992 – 2008
David Link	1990 – 1992

— Preceding unsigned comment added by OurLady (talk • contribs) 10:06, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Reply 15-JUN-2019

 Done
These items are presented in table format when it was previously stated that "When items in a list number more than 2 specific parts (such as name, date, and position) they need to be made into a table." As a listing of chancellors contains only two elements—the name and the date—it was suggested that "The list of Chancellors should use the following format:

John Smith     1910–1925
Jane Smith     1926–1936

However this is not the format which was used in the current edit request. Thus, the COI editor's proposed text has been corrected to the proper list format. Additionally, only the chancellors have been added.

 Spintendo  13:46, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

References

Revised: Addition of 'Rankings' sub-section of 'Academics'

I am an employee at the University of Notre Dame Australia. I'm working on a series of changes to update/flesh out the wiki page with more factual information about the University. These will most likely be small changes submitted one at a time.

I have previously made this request, and a concern was raised about not including definitions. I am trying to determine the best way to include these definitions, but it does not appear to be as straightforward as I first imagined. Definitions can be found at this web page: https://www.qilt.edu.au/about-this-site/student-experience, which has a table devoted to explaining the definitions. It seems like a waste of time/space to include this table. What is the best way to proceed? Should we include a note that definitions for the criteria can be found at the above link?

Information to be added or removed:

Create a new sub-section under ‘Academics’ titled ‘Rankings’

Add the following text to new sub-section ‘Rankings’:

The Australian Government’s Quality Indicators for Learning and Teaching 2018 Student Experience Survey results place Notre Dame as one of the top universities in Australia.

Undergraduate results

Category	Western Australia	New South Wales	National
Overall Quality of Educational Experience	1st	2nd	2nd
Teaching Quality	1st	2nd	3rd
Skills Development	1st	1st	2nd
Learner Engagement	1st	1st	2nd
Student Support	1st	2nd	3rd

Postgraduate by Coursework results

Category	Western Australia	New South Wales	National
Overall Quality of Educational Experience	1st	3rd	3rd
Teaching Quality	1st	2nd	2nd
Skills Development	1st	1st	1st
Learner Engagement	1st	1st	1st
Student Support	1st	1st	2nd

Explanation of issue:

A new sub-section needs to be created to have somewhere to place the University’s rankings. I’ve included some recent rankings to get this section started.

OurLady (talk) 04:13, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

References