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Latest comment: 16 days ago7 comments6 people in discussion
Nearly everyone who participated in the AfD agreed that this article was pretty rough, although there wasn't much in-depth discussion on what changes would be best. Hence, this thread exists. Consider it an informal RfC of sorts.
There are three main questions brought up throughout the AfD that should be answered.
Should this article be rescoped / retitled? If so, to what?
How should this article be formatted? As it is, as a standard list, as List of genocides (suggested by User:Bejakyo)?
In other words, I think for this article to be useful, the scope needs to be expanded to include other crimes. Complicity in genocide at the very least seems essential (in which case one possible title could be Genocide in the United States).
One other comment: I think it's debatable whether the instances of Native American genocide could be considered "domestic". Many Native American peoples consider(ed) themselves to be part of sovereign nations, and it's fairly well-documented that, at the very least, "Indian country" as a whole was considered to be foreign to the United States before it underwent assimilation (see After the Frontier: Separation and Absorption in US Indian Policy by Patrick Wolfe). Spookyaki (talk) 00:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
This page is not only about the genocide of Native Americans in the United States so a redirect does not make sense as the content (and potential extensions) go beyond the Native American issue. Keep a list of cases within Native Americans item is useful for many readers, I don't see why we need to remove it.
I also do not like the term ‘domestic’, as it does not represent the broader scope from a human rights perspective as ‘genocide’ resulting from settler colonialism/expansionism.
If we consider ‘Atrocity crimes committed by the United States’ as a new title, we will certainly have to expand the content as it is ‘in theory’ broader than the concept of genocide.
If we keep the genocide framework I would then consider be clear about criteria: Genocide Convention (Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, CPPCG) this is relevant as the Article 3 of CPPCG could mean extend the list of cases. In the case of cultural genocide without other elements is a subject of debate within CPPCG as some authors may argue that cultural genocide is not ethnocide. Although cultural genocide is certainly an important element that complements others elements of decision.
Other possible criteria is the Rome Statute which extends the target cases to: (I) Genocide, (II) Crimes against humanity, (III) War crimes, and (IV) Crime of aggression, which means that the current list would need to be extended. If we choose to use "Atrocity crimes" probably it would be needed to extend the criteria to something close to Rome Statue rather than only Genocide Convention.
Importantly, "complicity" is explicit in the article 3 of the GPPCG, so it seems to include the international cases added already so as far as we are explicit (with 'complicity' mentioned), as we do, we should keep them. Note that "Attempt to commit genocide", "Conspiracy to commit genocide", and "Direct and public incitement to commit genocide" are also part of the GPPCG which means that cases with these elements may be reviewed for inclusion if needed (again being explicit about Article 3 of GPPCG).
(Especially in the case of ‘Atrocity...’) I would include a small section on ecocide because although not directly a case of genocide/war crime/..., a major ecocide can be an element of genocide since ‘Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part’ is a defining element of genocide under the CPPCG.
