Talk:Union Station (New Haven)

Statistics

Are those ridership statistics referring to Amtrak, Metro North, SLE or all three? Currently it's unclear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.234.132.23 (talk) 04:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Article name

Just a note: This site is listed on the National Register as New Haven Railroad Station, not as "Union Station." I believe that is now operated as a union station, but historically it belonged only to the railroad. --Orlady (talk) 20:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Next/Preceding Station:

Shouldn't it have two preceding stations? One saying Milford, and another saying West Haven (proposed)?

--75.69.137.196 (talk) 19:39, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Within Walking Distance / Downtown

To whoever is deleting the "Downtown", now "Within Walking Distance" section - please either don't, because there is absolutely nothing wrong with the section being there (See Stamford Station wiki page, Within Walking Distance section is there). If you absolutely have a huge problem with it, don't just delete it. Contribute more to the page to take it's place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.177.52.243 (talk) 01:32, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

• I'm a little divided on this one. I like the idea of having this section, it's helpful to tourist. I think though that it could be seen as "off subject" to some. What might be better is including links to these landmarks somewhere in the article (maybe the See also?). This is definitely a subject that needs to be discussed. Murjax (talk) 06:05, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

• Didn't realize it was use doing it, Murjax.. sorry! If you're the one behind it, it's fine ;)

-milkyoreo27

PS. I get to delete Stamford's within walking distance section, right? :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.177.52.243 (talk) 22:43, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

• • I'm actually not the one who did it. I'm just saying I understand why it may have been done. I'm undecided on whether this section is a good idea or not. Just leave everything as is right now until we get a few more opinions. Murjax (talk) 22:52, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

• I admit to deleting it, and I agree with Murjax's comment about the inclusion of it in the "see also" section. As for now, I will leave it as is until this discussion comes to a conclusion. Train2104 (talk) 20:10, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

POV

"The waiting room is thirty-five feet high, and is a warm atmosphere filled with train-riders. As public transportation expert James G. Clark once noted, "To enter New Haven is to have arrived.""

-Sounds highly subjective and non-neutral POV to me.Avman89 (talk) 23:54, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Not only subjective, but completely false. Google results show there never was a transportation expert named James G. Clark who said anything of the sort. It appears that User:Milkyoreo made it up two years ago!

I've removed some POV language and the false statement and replaced them with a sentence about the nifty train models atop the benches. Good catch! Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:27, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Non-New Haven Railroads, anyone?

What other railroads used New Haven Union Station besides the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad? ---------User:DanTD (talk) 17:32, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

According to my well-pawed copy of The Rail Lines of Southern New England, the following six lines used Union Station (clockwise SW to NE):

• New York & New Haven: opened January 1849, joined the Hartford & New Haven to become the NYNH&H in 1872. In current operation with Amtrak and Metro-North.
• New Haven & Derby: opened 1871, joined with the Housatonic in 1889 and the NYNH&H in 1892. Originally joined the NYNH&H mainline north of Union Station, but a wye in West Haven was used to allow passenger trains to use Union Station. Passenger service ended New Haven - Derby in 1925, though Derby-Ansonia replaced the original Naugatuck mainline and is still used by MNRR. All abandoned; the freight spur in West Haven was the last remaining. Hard to trace except by property lines. (Map)
• New Haven & Northampton: opened January 1848, immediately leased by NY&NH. Passenger service ended 1928; New Haven to Cheshire segment abandoned in 1987. Now the Farmington Canal Trail. Many buildings downtown were built over the depressed line.
• Hartford & New Haven: opened 1844, joined with the NY&NH to become the NYNH&H in 1870. In current operation with Amtrak; upgrades for commuter service are under way.
• Air Line: opened 1870; the NYNH&H started running through trains to the NY&NE in 1879 and bought it outright later. Through passenger service ended in 1924; the last local trains from New Haven ended in 1937. After going through Penn Central and Conrail, freight service on the New Haven-Middletown segment now belongs to the P&W. East of Middletown is now a bike trail.
• Shore Line: opened as New Haven & New London in 1852; after a series of mergers and splits, it joined the NY&NH in 1870 and the NYNH&H in 1872. Currently active with Amtrak and Shore Line East service.

All these lines were active and under NYNH&H control from 1892 to 1924, including when the current Union Station was built in 1920. Additionally, at that time, the New Haven trolley network was extensive - lines ran to Old Saybrook via Guilford, to Middletown via Wallingford, to Hartford via New Britain, to Derby, and to Bridgeport, Stamford, and beyond. (See 1902 map and 1916 guide).

This USGS map from 1893 shows all six lines and their connections through New Haven. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:35, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

So basically, this station is in the same boat as Hartford Union Station and Canaan Union Depot. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 20:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

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Needed improvements

Hello fellow Wikipedians! This page has been on my watchlist for quite a while, but I haven't actually read it in its entirety in a while, and I noticed a couple things. First off, there is no history section! I think this is very much needed considering it is under NRHP. I don't know much about it's history, so I was hoping another user could add some information. Secondly, the "Future projects" section is quite outdated and doesn't have any references. This should be updated if possible or just taken out. Lastly, the "Station layout" section should be reworked or just removed, as it reads like a travel guide, which we all know Wikipedia is not. I'll work on a few things over the next few days, but if anyone could help that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! –Daybeers (talk) 03:31, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

I would love to work on this article at some point when I don't have tons of schoolwork to deal with.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 23:17, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

I have removed the station layout section per WP:NOTTRAVEL and have removed much of what used to be the "Future projects" section while I look for updated information and references. If anyone could start working on a history section that would be great! –Daybeers (talk) 09:17, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Reporting the configuration of tracks and platforms - especially in this case, where it didn't even discuss who uses which tracks - is citeable encyclopediac information and doesn't run afoul of NOTTRAVEL like platform assignments can. I'll try to dig up a good source. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:56, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I would agree, but I decided to be bold because that information has been uncited for so long. –Daybeers (talk) 07:12, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Correction needed

I have just added the New Haven Railroad Mainline express service under former services for this station, but for some reason it reads "New York" as Grand Central Station, even though the service which I added terminated at the original Penn Station. Can someone please correct this, as I am not sure how to link the original Penn Station as "New York" on Wikipedia. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pensyfan19 (talk • contribs) 19:27, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done See my addition to the adjacent stations module here and my fix to the article here. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:09, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 6 July 2021

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The result of the move request was: Not moved (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Calidum 21:50, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

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Union Station (New Haven) → New Haven Union Station – WP:NATURALDISAMBIG. 122.60.71.65 (talk) 07:41, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose, the article name "New Haven Union Station" makes it look like it's about some place whereof its proper name is "New Haven Union Station, or even "New Haven Union" being some place, and this being the station there - all rather than it being about the Union Station in New Haven. Firejuggler86 (talk) 15:01, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. The natural disambiguation appears less recognisable than the current title, and no evidence has been provided that it is common. Andrewa (talk) 20:24, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• Not really material to this RM, which has long closed by now, but in regards to Firejuggler's comment of July 6, WP:USSTATION would specify that if the station were named New Haven Union "and this being the station there", it would be called "New Haven Union station", with "station" being lowercased. – Epicgenius (talk) 22:14, 2 November 2021 (UTC)