Talk:UEFA Euro 2008 qualifying Group A

Elimination situation

Can someone add a couple of sentences at the end like 'Kazakhstan will be eliminated if...' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Funkyduncan (talk • contribs) 15:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

They can't be eliminated on the next matchday and the conditions for their elimination on 8th September are currently difficult to formulate (and frankly, needless for the article). 81.197.177.51 09:47, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Jonatan Johansson

Someone whom actually understand how those tables work should add Johansson among those players whom have done 2 goals in these qualifications so far, since he have scored at Finland vs. Portugal game and Finland vs. Belgium game. 88.115.110.186 19:48, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Azerbaijan elimination

These tie-breaking calculations kill me. Can someone explain me how Azerbaijan is already eliminated, please? Parutakupiu 18:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, Azerbaijan has 5 points with 8 games played. They will play only four more games, so they can only end up with a maximum (5 + 4*3 =)17 points. So far, the best they could aspire would be a second place tie with Finland, if they managed to lose all their games. But the key point is that Finland still has to play Portugal, from which one of three results will happen: Finland wins or draws (and thus gathers 20 or 18 points) or loses, and then Portugal wins, and get 18 points themselves. Either way, Azerbaijan will be unable to qualify. _ZdS| talk  18:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Zé! I had thought previously about all you explained, except the Finland vs. Portugal match. Indeed, any result between them would make a second team, other than Azerbaijan, to have more than 17 points rendering Azerbaijan eliminated. Parutakupiu 19:36, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Armenia and Kazakhstan elimination

• Armenia will become unable to qualify if:
  • Finland defeat Poland and Serbia defeat Portugal

Let me get this straight: Armenia can only achieve a maximum of 20 pts (current 8 + possible 4×3), so if Finland defeats Poland → FIN = 21, POL = 20. Poland and Armenia would tie and the tie-break would end up on total matches goal difference, since 1-0 was the results for both home teams between these two. For now, Poland has the lead (GD = +8) over Armenia (GD = -4), but it's possible for the latter to leapfrog Poland in the end, right?

What about Serbia defeating Portugal? How does this result have an immediate impact on Armenia's chances? Serbia would have 18 pts and Portugal would keep its 16 pts; Armenia could still achieve 20 pts, no?

• Kazakhstan will become unable to qualify if:
  • Kazakhstan draw with Belgium and
    • Portugal defeat Serbia, or
    • Finland draw with Poland and Portugal draw with Serbia

If Kazakhstan draws with Belgium, it can still gather 19 pts (current 6 + 1 of draw + possible 4×3) top. Portugal defeating Serbia, will have 19 pts too taking advantage of a 3-0 home win. But it's possible for Kazakhstan to defeat Portugal (in one of those 4 remaining matches) by more than 3-0 and top Portugal on GD, provided Portugal loses all of their other 3 matches, no?

I'm sorry, but these calculations sometimes seem too complex and even wrong. But perhaps I'm missing something. Parutakupiu 20:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Just remember that other teams play each other too, so someone has to gain points somewhere. In Armenia's example, if Finland and Serbia win then Finland will have 21 points and always be ahead of Armenia. This means that no one else can get more than Armenia's 20 points or they can't qualify. This means Poland would have to loose all their remaining matches, including the one against Serbia, which would force Serbia up to 21 points (if they win on Wednesday).

Same kind of thing goes for the Kazak situation. Aheyfromhome 20:37, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

As expected, it was me missing something. Thanks a lot for clearing me ;) Parutakupiu 22:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Something came up again: if Kazakhstan draws with Belgium (KAZ = 19 pts), isn't a Finnish draw with Poland (FIN = 19 pts) enough to eliminate them? Finland defeated Kazakhstan twice so they have the tiebreak in their favor. Parutakupiu 01:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

It needs Portugal to get a point too because if they don't, Portugal, Serbia, Finland and Kazakhstan can all finish on 19 points. The involvement of the other teams (particularly Serbia) means that Kazakhstan will do better in the tiebreak. (I think its Kaz=9pts, Srb+Por+Fin=8pts) Aheyfromhome 16:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh... this is too much sand for my truck :D Parutakupiu 16:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Belgium

I modded the conditions for Belgium a little, feel free to take an extra look. Seems to be a lot of things to consider there. 81.233.252.9 20:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Checked a little further:

• Belgium will be certain of elimination if:
  • Belgium loses to Finland, or
  • Belgium draws with Finland and Portugal defeats or draws with Azerbaijan and
    • Poland defeats or draws with Kazakhstan, or
    • Serbia defeats Armenia

Now, current points are (between the teams involved):

• Poland 21
• Finland 19
• Portugal 17
• Serbia 16
• Belgium 11

If Belgium draws Finland, and Portugal draws (or beats) Azerbaijan, and one of the other two scenarios occur, we'll have

• Poland Scenario 1: 21, Scenario 2: 22+
• Finland 20
• Portugal 18 (or 20 after victory)
• Serbia Scenario 1: 19, Scenario 2: 16.

If Belgium wins all their coming games they'll have 21 points. Since Serbia has one game left against Poland, even if Scenario 1 (where Poland didn't already gain another point) occurs, either Poland or Serbia will reach 22 points or more, beating Belgium.

And since Finland and Portugal meet each other as well, even if Finland doesn't beat Portugal (at which they have more points than Belgium and beat them), Belgium will finished shared 2nd with 21 points, and head-to-head records with Finland (if Portugal-Finland ends in a draw) or Portugal (if Portugal wins that game), or even Finland AND Portugal (if Portugal beats Azerbaijan the coming round), but in all those scenarios Belgium will not have good enough head-to-head record, since they'll have gained 1vs4 points vs Finland, and 0vs6 points vs Portugal, meaning they wont qualify.90.228.255.3 19:41, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

(Also, it doesn't matter if we bring Poland or Serbia into the mess by adding some draws to them on the way, Belgium will have 3-3 points vs Poland and Serbia, so they'll never WIN a head-to-head battle involving Portugal or Finland.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.228.255.3 (talk) 19:52, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Apparently I already had a wiki account. Anyways, both the comments by 81.233.252.9 and 90.228.255.3 above are mine ^^ Lejman 18:23, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Finland

How is it that Finland can be eliminated on the next match day, but not portugal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.248.0.45 (talk) 17:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Because Finland are lacking points. F9T 16:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Match report links

All the match report links to UEFA's site are broken, they all go to the headline page for Euro 2012. The match reports are nowhere to be found on the UEFA site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by France 98 forever (talk • contribs) 15:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

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