Talk:U.S. Route 127 in Michigan

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In 2011, an extra lane was added to the northbound lanes of US 127 between Grand River Avenue at mile marker 78 up to Lake Lansing Road, at exit 79. In 2012, another extra northbound lane was added between the entrance ramp from I-496 and exit 78 at Saginaw Street. In 2013, MDOT also added two auxiliary lanes for the southbound traffic; one between Lake Lansing Road (exit 79) and Saginaw Street/Grand River Avenue (exit 78), as well as between Saginaw Street and I-496 (exit 76).

In the grand scheme of things, these were minor updates compared to conversion of the highway to freeway or large realignments. Imzadi 1979 → 19:53, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

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Did some more research via Michigan Highways and old LSJ articles. I think there are some things that need correcting and approving, but I'd like the person working with the more detailed sources to do it. First:

"The US 127 freeway was extended north to the Lansing area by 1968. Near Lansing, it was routed along I-496 to the north side of Lansing and East Lansing to connect with US 27."

Highway officials approved a relocation of US-127 from its previous route to the new (mostly) freeway route in October 1965. The route follows a new proposed freeway between Mason and Lansing, which will connect to I-96/I-496 when completed in 1967, travels northwards on I-496 freeway (to Trowbridge) completd two years earlier. It then gets off the freeway from ramps directly onto the Homer/Howard pair of streets, and uses the Grand River-Sheridan/Saginaw pair to go east/west and terminate at the Cedar/Larch pairing which is US-27. I'm not sure how we'd need to reword this, but the current sentence quoted above is TOO vague; it does not give the sense that the US-127 designation takes a complete 90 degree westward turn from the Frandor area to connect back to US-27.

Also, the nothern terminus US-127 between its original designation and the rerouting above needs to be clarified, but I've not been able to find good answers for this. For instance, I think Michigan Highways says that it was originally Cedar & Kalamazoo - and later a block to the east where Larch was extended a block or two south to hook up with a Cedar. But it's then just dropped on us in the timeline in 1950 that when US-27 was rerouted to cross the river on Main Street to join and travel concurrently north with US-27, that they both run concurrently for a mile-and-a-half up to Grand River Avenue in Old Town/North Lansing. The, old LSJ newspaper articles in 1951 seem to imply US-127 had been moved to Pennsylvania Avenue - at least south of Mt. Hope. So we need a bit more information about the route within Lansing/Lansing Township between it's original designation and the rerouting in 1965. --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:19, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Anyone ever find the answer to the second part of this question? Criticalthinker (talk) 09:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

"The northern end was shifted slightly in 1950 in the city of Lansing when US 27 was rerouted from its car-only route to its truck route and US 127 was realigned to connect to the new routing."

The source given for this is the 1950 state highway map, and there is not enough detail there for this to be a source for this specific sentence. This also doesn't make sense even by itself knowing what we know. US-127 didn't have to be "realigned to connect to the new routing." If US-127's northern terminus was already at Larch & Kalamazoo (which is where it already met with the truck route of US-27), the new US-27 routing would have actually brought it to overlap with US-127 for a few blocks.

This may seem like a small thing, but it's quite an important basic piece of information that needs to be answered. Criticalthinker (talk) 13:35, 21 June 2024 (UTC)