Talk:Typhoon Mangkhut

Requested move 15 September 2018

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The result of the move request was: Page moved to Typhoon Mangkhut per consensus and WP:PRECISE. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 16:45, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

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Typhoon Mangkhut (2018) → Typhoon Mangkhut – Only one typhoon named "Mangkhut". B dash (talk) 03:57, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support per nominator. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 05:03, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
• Comment: Typhoon Mangkhut may also refer to Tropical Storm Mangkhut (2013).--202.40.137.200 (talk) 06:04, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Mangkhut in 2013 didn't reach typhoon status. --B dash (talk) 06:08, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

• Comment I would support this but I think we should wait until the extent of damage in the Philippines is known. Also, expected impacts in southern China should also be noted, and for now it has not yet materialised. Vida0007 (talk) 07:04, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose as this reason is nearsighted like how others handled new names like Jongdari. We don’t know if Mangkhut will be used again in 2023 or 2024, so such move will cause a potential disaster to all links to the article, inside and outside Wikipedia.-- 🐱💬 10:07, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose As per User:Meow. --hueman1 (talk) 11:18, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support per WP:PRECISE we don't use preemptive disambiguation, if when another one comes along, it can be moved. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:20, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
  • What would happen if the 2018 one is moved and the next Typhoon Mangkhut is retired? The link to the 2018 article on all websites will become invalid.-- 🐱💬 12:53, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
    • Then we should preemptively disambiguate every title that has a future risk of conflict? This has been discussed many times before. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:01, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
    • @Meow: Sorry, I don't get what you mean by that. Could you explain it? —Wei4Green (talk) 21:10, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support per Hurricane Beryl Figfires^{Send me a message!} 16:19, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support Agreed with Crouch, Swale. —Wei4Green (talk) 21:01, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support per Typhoon Lan, Hurricane Beryl, Subtropical Storm Alberto, etc. With all due respect to Meow, multiple discussions on multiple articles have made that argument null and void. We add the year to disambiguate. There's nothing to disambiguate when it's the only typhoon with this name, which by default is the primary topic. We don't preemptively disambiguate articles years in advance. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 23:29, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support per above. 49.148.251.72 (talk) 23:36, 15 September 2018 (UTC)— 49.148.251.72 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Support I have retracted what I have said above. This typhoon has particularly been known for its severity in the Philippines and its impacts in China/HK, and the death toll is rapidly increasing. Vida0007 (talk) 15:19, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

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Mangosteen

Maybe make clear that the Typhoon is also referred to as Mangosteen, eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h0E7j2ejqg Thus, not only a Thai name, as mentioned in the note. prokaryotes (talk) 14:34, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Uh, AFAIK Mangkhut is known as 山竹 in China because that's the Chinese word for mangosteen; translating back from "山竹颱风" gives "mangosteen typhoon". ~ KN2731 {t · c} 15:44, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Comprehensive footage

I don't want to add it myself (COI), but here is a suggestion for a comprehensive footage compilation for the external links section https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki5GRBLFi8k prokaryotes (talk) 22:33, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Is this chart unnecessary?

Maximum sustained wind speed and minimum pressure of Typhoon Mangkhut

Please join a discussion held at Talk:Hurricane Florence#Is this chart unnecessary?.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 04:55, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Isn't there a wiki tool or gadget for making native plots? OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 05:04, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

@OhanaUnited: I created this chart using Excel. The source data (CSV file) is the same data used to create the track map. So anyone who has Excel can create the same chart.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 05:36, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Please note that the image in the above post was removed from this article and the linked discussion is for inclusion/exclusion of all charts of a similar nature. Figfires^{Send me a message!} 03:08, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Strongest typhoon in Hong Kong history?

It seems as though there is some disagreement as to whether Mangkhut is the strongest typhoon to hit Hong Kong since 1946. This source: https://m.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/2164523/its-official-typhoon-mangkhut-was-most-intense seems to clearly state that Mangkhut is the most intense typhoon to hit Hong Kong, and the fact that sustained measured winds in Hong Kong reached 175 km/h, with gusts to 232 km/h seems to indicate this as well. Yet at the same time, other sources are saying that numerous other typhoons produced stronger winds in Hong Kong, ie. Wanda '62, Hope '79, and Ellen '83. So which one is it? --Undescribed (talk) 16:20, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

What the source is referring to is Mangkhut's PEAK intensity, which in fact is the highest for a typhoon bringing hurricane-force winds to Hong Kong, and is described as such by the Hong Kong Observatory in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdu78VThFAY. However, this is a meaningless statistic as Mangkhut weakened considerably after crossing Luzon before it was closest to Hong Kong. It is like saying Typhoon Tip was Japan's most intense storm on record because it reached a pressure of 870 hPa in the middle of the Pacific. Minimum pressure readings of around 965-970 hPa in Hong Kong (which unfortunately I do not have a source for at this time because this is real-time info from the HKO that is purged after 24 hours, but will be visible when the official report for Mangkhut is released), as well as this page: http://www.hko.gov.hk/informtc/historical_tc/metinfo_wind.htm which shows the maximum winds recorded for previous typhoons, show that at least Wanda and Hope surpass Mangkhut, and if we ignore pressure and only wind speeds, then more typhoons like Ellen and perhaps Rose at the very least also surpass Mangkhut. The article from SCMP unfortunately lacks clarity on this matter and is misleading.145.90.65.33 (talk) 17:07, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

I agree. SCMP's article is misleading. It is the strongest to threaten HK if we would consider its whole lifespan, but when it affected HK, its winds were considerably lower than Wanda (based on the data available right now). Vida0007 (talk) 09:46, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Retirement of name

Should we consider Ompong as a retired name, well the damage has reached 14 Billion Pesos, so the name is already getting retired. Jusgtr (talk) 03:56, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Quite likely the name will be retired, but until the official news from PAGASA announcing that Ompong is indeed retired comes we cannot say anything about retirement. — Iunetalk 14:33, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, yes this Typhoon is very costly, so should Ompong be officially considered a retired name? Jusgtr (talk) 04:16, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Image replacement

Can we replace the current one with this one? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mangkhut_2018-09-12_0505Z.jpgTerryfirut (talk) 05:03, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

 Done. The proposed image is of a higher quality than the previous one (just prior to this writing), and Mangkhut is also relatively close to its peak intensity in that image, so I don't see why not. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 05:08, 18 May 2019 (UTC)