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editTur abdin is the homeland of the Aramaic/Syriac people!!
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editMap
editA map showing where exactly is the Tur Abdin area would be nice. --89.1.1.242 13:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Indeed it would be. I found these two [1] & [2]. Maybe someone can draw a map based on these and upload it in wikicommons. The TriZ (talk) 15:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
![[1]](http://www.aina.org/maps/turabdin/turabdin1.jpg){kind=link}
Assyrian/Syriac
editWestAssyrian (talk · contribs) has been replacing Syriac with Assyrian lately, and the latest is a link Assyrian/Syriac which redirects to Assyrian people. In his edit summary he writes, "To be correct the term Assyrian/Syriac is used in Turabdin". In Turabdin the term is Süryani which translates to Syriac. Which the majority of the people there refer to themselves which can be shown by multiple sources. [3] homepage of the Syriacs in Midyat, Turabdin. [4] The Turkish ministry of culture and tourism, showing that the Turkish minstry are using the Syriac name to describe the people. [5] Republic of Turkey Governorship of Mardin Official Web Site, according to the site the Christians in Mardin include Armenians, Süryani (Syriacs) and Keldani (Chaldeans). [6] Turkish site by Syriacs in Turabdin, again the term used is Syriac. The TriZ (talk) 00:07, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Tur abidin and present syriac people It is mentioned that only a few tousand syriac people left in the region and also were assimilated or murdered by turkish army forces or kurdish insurgents during 1984-1999 uprising. As a person who comes from the region : Any member of asyrian origin and syriac ortodox have not been killed by any side,That's true that many syriac people fled of civil war but was a choice of people who did not want to be beetwen turkish forces and kurdish local militias. secondly .many syriacs joined the islam and living within the kurdish communities in the region so that they can be numbered about half a million.still in the region there are many communities dintinguished from kurds but with a mixed kurdish-arabic-syriac language people living such as mhallamis,mardinis,sasons local people...also kurdish spoken in tur abidin called torani which mixed with syriac. mhallamis considered muslim syriacs which mixed with kurdish communities.syriac people should not be only considered as only cristians.number of muslim syriac or asyrians is much higher than present cristian keldani and syriac communities but further searches will be needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.110.120 (talk) 18:33, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Tur Abdin - Aramean homeland
editTur-Abdin (southeastturkey) is a part of Aram. The mostly people of Tur-Abdin live in europe. Today 3000 Arameans live in Tur Abdin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.234.33.210 (talk) 13:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
which source saying a The Turks doing assimilation against a Kurdish people in a first world war ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JohannSch (talk • contribs) 16:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Suryani doesn't translate to Syriac
editSuryani, which is the turkish version of the Assyrian word Suryoyo means Assyrian of course since Suryoyo means Assyrian too. In turkish documents from 1979 it stands "Suryani Kadim" and under it its translated to "Old Assyrians Church". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.112.181.207 (talk) 01:41, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Name controversy
editThe text speaks about the Syriac Orthodox community of Tur Abdin as 'Assyrian', however it is by no means universally accepted by scholars that this community derives from the ancient Assyrians scholars as Dr. Mark Levene who claims that this term is owing everything to nineteenth century western orientalism. [1]
Besides that historical evidence traces the region of Tur Abdin also to the ancient Arameans and the page Syriac Orthodox Church also mentions the different ethnic self identifications of this group, so Syriac Orthodox christian does by no means only redirect to Assyrians. [[7]],[[8]],[[9]] Reldex (talk) 22:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ M.Levene, "A Moving Target, the Usual Suspects and (maybe) a Smoking Gun: The Problem of Pinning Blame in Modern Genocide" P.8
Different languagese, all use the Syriac Name Tur abdin
editIn Latin, arabic and kurdish this Region is also called by its Syriac Name Tur Abdin. So There is no Need to add other Langauge and write its Syriac Name. You could also add Frances or German and write behind it Tur abdin. The originally Name Tur Abdin in Syriac is enough... 78.94.194.226 (talk) 09:57, 30 July 2022 (UTC)