Talk:Tomato can

So, it seems to me that the term "tomato can" actually means slightly different things in different contexts. I've read about a pair of brothers in Tennessee who each have about 20-300 records (yes, hundreds of losses) who generally box for about $100 per round, and almost always lose. Those types of fighters- they would probably be considered "tomato cans" if you had to look at the objective facts.

But it also seems that the term is also used when there is a large disparity in perceived quality between two fighters, especially when a champion is involved. For example- Ali's fight against Wepner was expected to be a fairly easy win for the champ, but it ended up being an exhausting marathon fight, instead of an easy 4 or 5 round KO win for Ali. Wepner had a winning record, something like a 75% win rate, which is very good. He was also the State Champion of New Jersey, which was one of the biggest boxing states in the country.

My point is- the guys with 15-179 records, those are not the same "tomato cans" that champions fight. A fighter who is a journeyman- when a champion fights him, the guy's called a tomato can, and I'd hope that the article might somehow explain that notion/concept. 150.108.235.22 (talk) 01:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)Anon

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