Talk:Tobias Watkins

Creation of article

Tobias Watkins kept coming up in articles I was editing, so I decided to do the old guy a solid and give him his own article. I invite discussion here! --Dugan Murphy (talk) 15:59, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Wish list

I would love to add an image of Tobias Watkins to this article. If somebody could find one, that would be awesome to add. I've also tried to find a reliable source to corroborate Find a Grave that he is buried in Glenwood Cemetery (Washington, D.C.), but can't. If anybody else can, it would be nice to add internment info back in. The closest I can find is pg 108 of United States Congressional Serial Set, Volume 9200, published 1930, which lists his wife as buried at Glenwood. --Dugan Murphy (talk) 16:09, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tobias Watkins/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MEisSCAMMER (talk · contribs) 23:21, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Criteria:

• Well written: Yeah, I could follow it reasonably well; no issues at any rate. Y
• Verifiable: Yes, lots of sources for something of this size. Y
• Broad: Talks about aspects of his life (birth, major events, death) without going into too much detail. Y
• Neutral: No POV issues, seems to be eminently neutral. (OK, I just put "eminently" to sound cool. But still.) Y
• Stable: The only edits to this page have been addition of content, and some cleanup. Y
• Illustrated: Not quite, I'd like to see some photos of him, there are only a couple of documents by him. See below discussion.

I would love to find a painting of photograph of Watkins, but I haven't been able to find any. This article (on p. 235) says "Unfortunately no likeness of him has been found after extensive search, and if his portrait exists its location is unknown to his biographers." That tells me the search is likely to remain fruitless. I could add an image of somebody who comes up in the article or perhaps a title page from another one of his books. What I can't find are images of the lost buildings associated with Watkins, such as the Grand Lodge of Maryland, Fourth Presbyterian Church, or the prison where he was held. What are your thoughts on images? Dugan Murphy (talk) 18:47, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

OK, sorry, I didn't know there weren't any images of him. I can't think of any other images that could be added, let's leave as is. So yes, this is done. Y MEisSCAMMER^(talk)_Hello! 22:38, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Y Tobias Watkins is now a good article! Good job, @Dugan Murphy! Keep up the good (article) work! MEisSCAMMER^(talk)_Hello! 22:51, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for taking the time to review the article! It's nice to get the recognition. Dugan Murphy (talk) 23:14, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by DanCherek (talk) 20:32, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that a former army surgeon and masonic grand master named Tobias Watkins served nine months in prison for embezzling $3,050 from the US Treasury, then two more years for failing to pay it back? grand master source: http://mdmasons.org/past-gm/tobias-watkins/; army surgeon source on p. 210: https://www.jstor.org/stable/44440418; embezzlement figure and initial sentence and fine source on p. 302: https://www.jstor.org/stable/40066806#metadata_info_tab_contents; additional two years in jail source on p. 40: https://www.jstor.org/stable/3122853?seq=1
  • ALT1:... that a former masonic grand master named Tobias Watkins served nine months in prison for embezzling $3,050 from the US Treasury, then two more years for failing to pay it back?

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WENS (TV)
• Comment: This is my first DYK nomination. Let me know if there's something I need to work on.

Improved to Good Article status by Dugan Murphy (talk). Self-nominated at 19:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Hi Dugan; nice work! This article was recently promoted to GA, so the overall article sourcing, neutrality, and plagiarism is assumed to have been covered during the GAN. A QPQ is not needed, as this is nominator's first DYK. The citations for the hook check out.

I prefer ALT1—hooks need to be hooky, not comprehensive, and I'm not sure adding his military career does much to help with that. I would shorten a little further to this:

ALT1a: ... that former masonic grand master Tobias Watkins served nine months in prison for embezzling $3,050 from the US Treasury, then two more years for failing to pay it back?

I like your ALT1a. Let's go with that. Dugan Murphy (talk) 23:06, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Also, are there no photos/paintings of Watkins available? He lived long enough ago that anything out there will be public domain and could be included (it's not required, though, of course). {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:41, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

This question also came up in the GA review. At least one published researcher has failed to find any and I haven't found any myself, though I'd love to run across one. Dugan Murphy (talk) 23:06, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Approved for ALT1a. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:23, 6 March 2021 (UTC)