Talk:Tintin

Redirection of this page

I think because the term Tintin doesn't always mean the adventures of tintin, it should point to a disambiguation page.F3-R4 22:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps so, but a redirect that existed for over two years and that was used by more than 200 pages shouldn't per haps be changed overnight. I was actually going through all the pages that linked to Tintin and changing all the links to the correct pages (usually either The Adventures of Tintin, Tintin and Snowy, or Tintin (magazine)). The article Tintin and Snowy isn't even linked from the diambig page! (I'll fix that in a moment though). Once all links to Tintin are removed (from articles; I don't care about user pages, talk pages, ...), this discussion becomes moot of course, but I think that in general, you could perhaps have discussed this a bit more before implementing this change. No real harm done of course! Fram 13:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with F3-R4 as a description "Tin Tin, a name for several musical groups" is too wide. I just listened to "Toast and marmalade for tea", a song by Tin Tin, and expected to find anything on it on Wikipedia but alas ... it ain't worth mentioning, I think?!

So I admit a link to Tin Tin (band). 94.208.18.185 (talk) 01:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Requested Move

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:21, 15 April 2014 (UTC))

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Tintin → Tintin (disambiguation) – The Adventures of Tintin is the primary topic by a long way here, consistently over 1200 views a day (to about 300/400 combined views), even the combined views of unrelated Tintin pages linked from here comes to only a few hundred, 500 maximum, under half the Adventures of Tintin views. Google Tintin and the results for several pages are all related to the Adventures of Tintin. Matty.007 11:20, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose sorry but on the face of it a move wouldn't aid anything, if people are finding their way to the comics already it rather suggests the present arrangement is working. Tintin being the dab allows dab bot notifications to new edits and shows the variety of articles which exist. Don't fix. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:27, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
  • We don't want to show variety, we want to link to the primary topic, which is clearly The Adventures of Tintin. The move follows the primary topic policy. Thanks, Matty.007 15:35, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
• Support, it would help the readers since they would immediately get what they were probably after, instead of having the extra step of going to the disambiguation page. The proposed move would be beneficial for most readers of the page (who will only visit one page to get at their destination, instead of two), and a hindrance to a minority (who will need to go to two pages before finding the disambiguation, instead of one). Current situation works, but proposed situation would work better. Fram (talk) 15:31, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Comment Agree on The Adventures of Tintin being primary topic. However, as the page isn't situated at Tintin I don't see the point in moving this page and it would leave an empty redirect page and an unnecessary further page needed. The link is right at the top anyway. If the primary topic was named Tintin I'd support the move but it isn't.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:48, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Commonly abbreviated to Tintin (The Adventures of Tintin is a bit of a mouthful), moving this would mean this could redirect to The Adventures of Tintin. That way, the primary topic is easier to get to. Thanks, Matty.007 15:51, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• Weak oppose, I like the dab page because, as reader with little knowledge of the topic, I would expect Tintin to redirect to Tintin (character) moreso than The Adventures of Tintin. I'm not sure if there's policy to support this, but there's precedent in similar dab pages: Super Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog. —Ost (talk) 16:26, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
  • The Adventures of Tintin is often shortened to Tintin, some books start 'Tintin in...', and the guidelines say that the primary topic is either:

A topic is primary for a term, with respect to usage, if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term.
A topic is primary for a term, with respect to long-term significance, if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term.

The Adventures of Tintin is first in both definitions, it's like Asterix: called The Adventures of Asterix, 'Asterix' is also common, not often referring to the character. Thanks, Matty.007 16:57, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

In addition, this is just for moving this to a DAB, which seems to be your preference as well. Thanks, Matty.007 17:27, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

No, that is not what this is. This is to take to make Tintin a redirect that does not point to the dab. If this discussion were to just to make Tintin point to Tintin (disambiguation), there is no issue. But as stated above, this clears the way for the link to point to The Adventures of Tintin. If this is not a plan, then I further I oppose on the grounds the it is an unnecessary move.

I feel that it should point to the dab because its usage is often unclear if it means the character or the series. I don't find a dab page to be a hindrance to finding the intended topic and believe that having Tintin point to a dab encourages editors to use a wikilink whose intent is immediately clear (i.e., it helps make sure that links for the character actually get pointed to the character instead of the series and vice versa). —Ost (talk) 17:54, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Pointing to the series page one click from the character page is the same as pointing to a DAB one click away from the character page. Matty.007 17:55, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

If clicks is the only metric you care about, that would be a valid argument. Moving it away from the dab means you have to hunt the Adventures page to find out that Tintin is a character (currently in the third paragraph of the lede) before clicking on the link; it's not spelled out hierarchically as on the dab page. To me, that's easier, and it addresses accidental linkage to the wrong primary. —Ost (talk) 18:06, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, a fairly good indication that Tintin is a character is that it's his adventures: The Adventures of Tintin doesn't leave much in doubt as to the main character. Thanks, Matty.007 18:08, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I considered that, but by that logic, Narnia and Priscilla would be assumed to be characters based on the titles of their eponymous works The Chronicles of Narnia and The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. —Ost (talk) 19:55, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose as proposed clearly the character is the primary topic. -- 70.24.250.235 (talk) 04:18, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't say the character was the primary topic, but the opinion seems to be leaning there. Perhaps I should propose to redirect it there instead? Thanks, Matty.007 15:47, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose No. Prhartcom (talk) 23:00, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I don't like it isn't very helpful. Thanks, Matty.007 15:44, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

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Requested move 13 December 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Danski454 (talk) 00:04, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

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Tintin → Tintin (disambiguation) – Tintin (character) is the primary topic IMO. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:05, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. The Adventures of Tintin would be the likely primary redirect, and would follow the example of Asterix/Asterix (character) as was pointed out in the 2014 RM above. 162 etc. (talk) 17:38, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. I agree with 162 etc. Another example along these lines would be Harry Potter. But I favour continuing the status quo of having no ptopic, to avoid mistargeted wikilinks, especially given how dispersed pageviews are. Colin M (talk) 16:29, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

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