Talk:Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (7 May – 12 July 2024)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 May 2024

Little mistake in 17 May that should be corrected by changing 'an new Israeli offensive' into 'a new Israeli offensive' — Yours truly, ⚑ AtikaAtikawa 05:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Charliehdb (talk) 10:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Death toll to 34,789

Those "death tolls" of unbelievable high numbers come from Hamas. There should be an "according to Hamas" at the end of the sentence, not treated as an actual proved number.

EDIT: Can we normaliza that AlJazeera is not a credible news source and is subject to extreme bias. In the same way that Jerusalem Post, Arutz Sheva are not credible sources either.

bare URL

Am i the only one who finds the bare URL issues annoying? I’m lazy to change it though 48JCL (talk) 14:37, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Blame Durranistan (talk · contribs) for most of that. A lot of their edits are also grammatically challenged and may be copyvios from news articles. Borgenland (talk) 15:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Hezbollah Attacks Not Mentioned

Why are there no mentions of the Hezbollah attacks on israel, or any reports of missiles fired from gaza to israel? There is a alot ofreporting on it. Including: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpdd8z0zjdzo MoisesM12 (talk) 00:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hezbollah events are mentioned in Timeline of the Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) Chomik! (talk?) 01:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Vague statement 12 June - (UN on war crimes and crimes against humanity)

Hello!

Right now, on 12 June we can read (The guardian is the source):

"The UN accused both Israel and Hamas of committing crimes against humanity and war crimes in two parallel reports on the matter."

I checked the The Guardian article, as also this one from AP,

https://apnews.com/article/united-nations-human-rights-navi-pillay-israel-palestinians-a80c38e1aa2c2090da098f7df20e97fe

As I understood, there are two accusations:

Hamas is accused of war crimes.

Israel is accused of war crimes AND crimes agains humanity.

Right now, the statement is ambiguous, it seems that Hamas is also accused of crimes against humanity (but none of the articles states so). Actually I cannot find the original report on the Internet, but that would be the correct way to do things. 93.34.8.202 (talk) 08:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

NPOV Tag

I have added an NPOV tag to the article, due to several sections/days only being sourced by Al Jazeera. Per WP:RSP (WP:ALJAZEERA), "Al Jazeera is a Qatari state-owned news organization considered generally reliable. Editors perceive Al Jazeera English (and Aljazeera.com) to be more reliable than Al Jazeera's Arabic-language news reporting. Some editors say that Al Jazeera, particularly its Arabic-language media, is a partisan source with respect to the Arab–Israeli conflict. Al Jazeera's news blogs should be handled with the corresponding policy" {Bolding my doing}. That bolded part is why the NPOV tag has been added. Since consensus seems to be (1) they are reliable but (2) partisan, only or largely sourcing Al Jazeera for a section gives the appearance of undue weight. One or two sections would be ok, as they are a reliable source. But several sections/dates are entirely or 75% or more sourced by Al Jazeera. I have only checked June and between June 1-15, I marked 6 sections/dates with the "one source" tag for this reason.

Until most (say about 2 max) sections are not entirely or largely sourced by Al Jazeera (reliable, but partisan per WP:RS/consensus), the NPOV tag should remain. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 01:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to change it. We encourage you to be bold in fixing pages that have been tagged for NPOV. Isaidnoway (talk) 13:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Tag removed, AJ is green and just because "some editors" say a thing, doesn't make it so without additional evidence, case by case. Also tagging an entire article when any complaint can only be about some particular entry in the timeline is disruptive. There is no current discussion.

Until most (say about 2 max) sections are not entirely or largely sourced by Al Jazeera No editor has the right to unilaterally impose such a condition and

reliable, but partisan per WP:RS/consensus is not what it says, see above. Selfstudier (talk) 14:41, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Al-Jazeera ?

It seems the vast majority, or at least a wildly disproportionate amount, of citations from this article are sourced from Al-Jazeera. Al-Jazeera is a Qatari state-owned newspaper, and Qatar is a self-proclaimed state ally of Hamas, no? I understand the newspaper has a good track record of reliability for topics unrelated to Israel-Hamas, but how is it a neutral point of view for this war? Jackvoeller (talk) 16:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jackvoeller: — It isn’t, hence why the non-neutral POV tag was added to the article. See the discussion right above this one for more explanation. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

For the record, it is a news site without a newspaper. As for the usage, I think it would be better to raise it at the WP:RS section where this could be more visible. Borgenland (talk) 02:09, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

extended-confirmed-protected Edit request

Remove {{Onesource}} from the individual sections in "June 2024" and add it to the main section AlexBobCharles (talk) 10:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

References

AlexBobCharles (talk) 10:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

The one source templates were added to the individual sections as explained in the NPOV Tag section above. They should remain as is. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 15:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Combine all timelines?

Hello all, I was wondering why we don't combine all the Timelines of the Israel–Hamas war into one article onto the main page of "Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war." I feel like this would make it easier and more organized by combining all the events into one article. Please discuss this, as I think this could be beneficial. Best, MintyFresh201 (talk) 15:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

The total weight of the combined page would exceed 700,000 kb, which would create bugs. Borgenland (talk) 22:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, okay, thanks for clarifying. MintyFresh201 (talk) 00:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 July 2024

Please change the misspelling "unlce" to "uncle" EditForRecreation (talk) 13:24, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

 Already done Hyphenation Expert (talk) 19:43, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Only One Source for Death Toll

If I saw correctly, every single date has an update on the death toll and every single one is sourced only by Al Jazeera. Per WP:RSP & WP:ALJAZEERA: Al Jazeera is a Qatari state-funded news organization that is considered generally reliable. Editors perceive Al Jazeera English to be more reliable than Al Jazeera Arabic. Some editors say that Al Jazeera, particularly Al Jazeera Arabic, is a partisan source on the Arab–Israeli conflict and on topics for which the Qatari government has a conflict of interest. It is ok to use as a source, however, it is cited so much in the article and given it is a partisan source for the conflict, it should not be the only source for the daily death toll. It can still be cited, but other sources for the death toll should also be cited alongside it every couple of days. As such, I am re-adding the NPOV tag, given the large partisan citing for the death tolls. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 20:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)