Talk:Those women longed for the touch of others' lips, and thus invited their kisses

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Reviewer: AryKun (talk · contribs) 19:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@AryKun Hi. Thank you. Any news? TeenAngels1234 (talk) 22:08, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

• I'll review the prose after doing a copy-edit. In the meantime, some initial comments on sourcing:
• Why are The Anime Café, Ex, and Digitally Obsessed considered RS?

I discussed The Anime Café before. For example, Akio Nagatomi is used as a source, among others, by Anime News Network - many AC editors are also ANN editors, like Lee and Raphael See. Ex is among Wikipedia:A&M/ORS. For DO, which is mentioned in many GAs here: they have a strict policy regarding their peer-reviewed reviewes and many requierements, including technical requirements. A number of reliable sources mention it as a source; not a review in which I'm included, but this GAN has a good list.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 17:40, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

• CBR is marginally reliable according to the last RSP listing I saw, and the specific article cited here is just one of their pointless listicles, so I'm inclined to remove that source entirely.

Yup, it's listed as situational by AM/ORS and WP:CMC/REF, but the article mentioned is not those questionable AI-generated articles they recently made. Theo Kogod discussed NGE many times in his articles and his statements are pretty on-point and OK to me - as far as I can tell, he reported well-estabilished facts about the series. While I normally agree, I think that Kogod opinion is pertinent and also reflects the opinion of many persons in the fandom about Asuka.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 17:40, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

• A couple of the Film School Rejects sources need the formatting fixed; instead of having separate website and publisher parameters, just write Film School Rejects in the website parameter (as in ref 117).

Thank you! Hope it works.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 17:40, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

• Most of the other refs seem reliable; I don't think I'm qualified to judge the reliability of the Japanese sources, so I'm AGF-ing those. AryKun (talk) 15:24, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

  From the ones I recall, Anime Anime! is quite a useful source that often interviews famous Japanese people. Oricon and Billboard are also quite famous especially for music articles. Newtype is published by Kadokawa Shoten Tintor2 (talk) 18:56, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

• Sorry for the further delay in getting around to this. I've performed a c/e; feel free to revert and discuss any changes you disagree with.
• "Asuka Soryu Langley" Our article calls her Asuka Langley Soryu.
• "she reveals...into tears" You should also mention the reason here.
• 'after "a recovery".' Recovery from what?
• "The staff in progress decided to abandon the original project" Do you mean "the staff decided to abandon the original idea while working on it"?
• "not touching [her] seemed to hurt Anno's pride" Not clear why not having Lilith in the story would hurt Anno.
• "Iso also worked on Lilith's design" Why mention this separately? It doesn't seem surprising for a character designer to work on a character's design.
• 'Concerning this..."colossal films".' This doesn't seem to concern the previous information in any way, shape, or form.
• "was popular in Japan and" If you're using the past tense for this, maybe say "was popular in Japan at the time" if the source supports that"?
• "sang the tune" You can't sing a tune.
• "instinct to preserve their state and to change" How do you preserve your state and change at the same time?
• "are like men and women" Needs elaboration.
• Images are licensed properly and illustrate the article well.
• I'll spot-check the sources after the comments above are addressed. AryKun (talk) 16:30, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@AryKun: Okay. Done. Hope it works. One thing: concering the "Proposal" "recovery" and the Lilith "Anno's pride" interview, the sources are laconic on this point. Even if I think that by "recovery" we mean hospitalization, or something similar to the rescue operation in episode 20, I would prefer to leave it like this so as not to go overboard on an assumption. Ditto regarding Lilith; Sadamoto does not specify why Anno's pride should have been "hurt". While I might assume it's because Anno has always had quite a feminist verve, I don't want to over-interpret the sources. Torn about this, since I think both things are quite worthy of mention, I decided to leave it at that. I've been racking my brain for days but I don't know how to rephrase it.--TeenAngels1234 (talk) 21:04, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

• Spotchecks performed on following refs:
  • Black, Noah (21 January 2020). "Get in the Robot". MCC Agora
  • Covill, Max (19 June 2019). "The Perfect Shots of 'Neon Genesis Evangelion'". Film School Rejects.
  • "Giornata mondiale del bacio ecco i più famosi negli anime" (in Italian). Wired. 13 April 2018.
  • Shinseiki Evangelion Review - Episode 15: Lie And Silence / Those Women Longed For the Touch of Other's Lips, and Thus Invited Their Kisses". The Anime Café
• Assuming good faith on Japanese-language refs.

About the unreliable sources tag

Dani Cavallaro's publications have been designated as generally unreliable sources in this discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard. Citations to her work can be replaced with more high-quality ones or removed, and the tag can be taken off once complete. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 20:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)