Talk:The Winds of Winter

The writing history is getting ridiculously long

It’s several screens on my iPad. We’re not talking about the novel of the century here. 82.36.70.45 (talk) 19:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

we might be...... 80.189.136.3 (talk) 17:57, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Nah. 86.31.178.164 (talk) 13:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I think by "novel of the century" the commenter above you meant "a novel that takes a century to write"! I think they may be too optimistic, too! The andf (talk) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Haha! SFandLogicReader (talk) 16:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Ha ha, nevertheless it’s good to know that Martin has the majority of it done with him last having 1100-1200 pages done (unless he revised/rewrote them) or 75%. While it would be sad, if Martin passed away you would still have a lot of Martin’s material to release in some form no doubt even if he doesn’t finish Winds. Dream, absolutely forget it. Mobfighter63 (talk) 19:17, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

I have known authors publishing when they were 20 years older. Although they were thin. 86.31.178.164 (talk) 19:23, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps not, but of the decade surely? Mobfighter63 (talk) 21:03, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Summer vacation 2012 due as part of writing history?

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I removed a touch of trivia - that GRRM didn't work on the novel while attending conferences in 2012. This has been readded by User:Isaidnoway who seemingly finds it nontrivial and a part of the books history. I'd like to remove it again and would like opinions Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan (talk) 21:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree that it's trivial and support removing it. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 22:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

It is relevant to the books history, it provides context and an explanation during that timeframe as to why the book has been "delayed several times", which is mentioned in the lead. As GRRM is quoted in the source you removed from the article - I mean the more I tour the less I write. On one hand I got the mob out the front with pitchforks and torches who want me chained to this desk writing, then I got the people who want me to come to a store near them to sign their book. The delay of the book itself is notable, and it is not trivial to include content that explains why. It's also mentioned here - Martin says that he’d get back to writing The Winds of Winter at the start of 2012 once the publicity cycle for A Dance With Dragons winds down. In fact, there are several articles talking about the delay of the book [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6] and it would probably be DUE to include a small section for that aspect on the books history. Isaidnoway (talk) 01:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

There are already sourced descriptions of large nontrivial delays already. It's ok for authors to take vacations, and it isn't historic. Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan (talk) 02:13, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Books signings and attending conventions isn't taking a vacation, it is standard practice for authors to promote their work, and is expected from them from the publishing company. It's no different than actors promoting a movie/TV show on late night shows, it is expected of them. The obvious difference here being the historic delay in this book getting written, and as previously mentioned, the content in question provides context and an explanation during that timeframe. Isaidnoway (talk) 08:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

He does a lot of stuff and works on a lot of projects. Anytime he isn't working on The Winds of Winter, it isn't history. Its trivia. The entire history section should be condensed to one or two paragraphs. Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan (talk) 14:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Well, when you put it THAT way. I don't think EVERY rationale for every delay on this book is notable—we don't need to explain every single delay—but that particular quote and context relating to ADWD seems like decent enough for inclusion because it's nearer to the beginning of the book's writing history. But, the quote you just included wasn't in the removed portion. I think a contextless "because he spent time on tour and at conventions" is trivial. Couching it in "He wanted to get back to it after the publicity cycle died down" and the thing about finding writing and fan events conflict with one another does belong in the "Writing history" section (but not "Chapters", from where the removal is.) ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 02:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to expanding his rationale and moving it to a different section. Isaidnoway (talk) 08:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

• Checkuser note Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan has been blocked as a confirmed sock of Raxythecat.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 16:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

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He lied

Are we allowed to state that "he lied about his progress" when that's demonstrably true? SlapperDapper (talk) 22:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

How so? I've been saying for years that he's probably never going to finish it and that if he does it's not going to be the book of the century, but I don't know that he lied. And even if he did, in Wikipedia you need reliable sources saying so. Cheers. 86.31.178.164 (talk) 15:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

In what way is it demonstrably true? — Czello ^(music) 15:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

No updates for 2024?

We are already in mid-July and 2024 is the only year since 2010 for which there is no update in the article. Please add something. 86.31.178.164 (talk) 13:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Looking at this more objectively, we can’t take these possible hints, clues, and replies and put them all in this wiki page. I doubt that readers are going to find Martin posting a rose on his blog, WoW, his comments about having the book out before people start buying a chocolate version of him to eat, him talking about dragons and their role in Winds, etc, credible and reliable enough for it to be significant to use here. I personally don’t mind the long pages of this book’s development but it’s long enough. It’s an important novel for millions of people, no doubt the shows have garnered more hype, but it’s not the Bible even still. Mobfighter63 (talk) 19:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. Plus I don’t think there’s any real news this year. 86.31.178.164 (talk) 19:56, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Still probably more progress here this year than what was made on the book itself. 2605:4A80:B401:AE41:FCD7:4AD9:DACB:7FB3 (talk) 23:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Source

Hi! I added a source for the lenght in pages being manuscript pages, not book pages, but don't know how to format it in the References list to put a title to it and make it nice. Please help. SFandLogicReader (talk) 16:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)