Talk:The Next Day

Album cover art

I think that the cover art that's on iTunes and this article is only filler art. Bowie's own website doesn't use the faux-"Heroes" art but instead has this: http://www.davidbowie.com/sites/davidbowie.wmg-gardens.com/files/styles/blog_image/public/grey_box_600sq.jpg Icweiner (talk) 18:19, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

It's the official album artwork. http://virusfonts.com/news/2013/01/david-bowie-the-next-day-that-album-cover-design/ Pohetri (talk) 23:32, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

If someone wants to expand the artwork section, then this is a good source [1]. - JuneGloom Talk 23:34, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Done. Used http://virusfonts.com/news/2013/01/david-bowie-the-next-day-that-album-cover-design/, instead. StevePrutz (talk) 17:30, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

quite possibly the worst cover ever!(i know that's an opinion but so what?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.104.196.14 (talk) 23:58, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Genre

Rock?!!! We dont know about the others songs yet and "Where are we now" is not rock. I mean, Bowie is not just rock. NandO ^ta_lk! 04:34, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Album/songs genre discussion

The rock genre was removed from the infobox of the article (and related single articles as well as the main article) because one user thought that it was too vague and means that album could "sound like Nickelback or Muse." There are sources that describe the album as such (The Observer, The Quietus) and one describes it as "art pop" Drowned in Sound). Not all his albums or songs are supposed to be specifically art rock or glam rock (this applies to the songs as well), especially considering that Bowie is still recognized generally as an important classic rock artist or a rock music artist in general.

Even if a reader assumes automatically that the whole album is or the songs are post-grunge a la Nickelback, there are musical style section (Even if there aren't on these, I'd propose them to be included.) or links to rock music or David Bowie articles, which would actually explain something. (If one had only read the infobox on any article on Wikipedia, music-related or not, that person would miss lots and lots of information after all, wouldn't him/her?)

I'd propose rock and art pop as infobox genres based on the sources. (Likewise, I believe that the song articles also should feature these whenever they're also sourced.) Bowie is a classic rock artist and I find it illogical to label his work as rock music without adjectives whenever it is sourced. Myxomatosis57 (talk) 22:33, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Prose suggestions

• marked Bowie's return - dont say "marked" as is press-release phraseology

• Changed it to say it was his first studio record in ten years so that's more notable – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 15:35, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• The dark lyrics were partly inspired by - "dark" isn't right and sounds teenage. "Bleak" might be better

• Done. "Bleak" is even used below so it makes sense – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 15:35, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

• different types of conflict and topics such as tyranny and violence...very vague overall, and rather pretentious as currently put in the article
• complete secrecy - "complete" is melodramatic
• highlighted the performancesof the band and Bowie himself
• and was regarded as a return to form - "is" not "was"
• Reading through, more later. Ceoil (talk) 02:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
• What does " texture-filled" mean.
• and subsequently with her double - wot
• bouncy nature - sounds like a quote
• Similarly we have "the lyrics are connected to spiritual uncertainty" in wiki voice. Ceoil (talk) 05:50, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

  Hey Ceoil. Been doing some prose work myself and based on your suggestions. One thing I wanted your opinion on is where, in what places, you think I go into too much detail. I'm thinking background possibly but would love to know what you think. Thanks. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 03:47, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

  The background section is well balanced imo, and think its the section that most readers would first gravitate towards, given the circumstances. Am finding he article very impressive, but of course will be posting more gripes shortly. Ceoil (talk) 03:25, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Most work is need in the reception. Too much quotation, when you could paraphrase easily. eg putting a clause like "very different" is a bit much, and there is a lot of that, although I think overall the page is excellent and just fascinating. Thanks muchly! Ceoil (talk) 04:48, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Totally agree. I just did a basic read-through and agree there's too many quotes. I'll work on that some more today and report back. Thanks again. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 15:10, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Ceoil Update. Done lots of copy-editing throughout the sections and was also able to find a few actual sources (rather than using the bios). Do you think it's ready to bring to FAC? I'm thinking it's much more deserving of the star than This Year's Model was when I nominated that, personally. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 16:08, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree that this is eventually a guaranteed pass; I mean what a great story, but rather than me starting the FAC with a bunch of trivial bummer prose issues, could we leave it to at least early next week so we can work through over weekend. I dont see dates bloat issues as with the Elvis article, but glad to hear you have considered Mike Crisite's guidance on reception sections....reduce nr quotes (and he said she said), distinguish between contemporary and re-evaluation. ps, will be delighted to see this nomed, well done!! Ceoil (talk) 17:03, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

• Timeline confusing here "Over the summer of 2011, Bowie recorded demos with Leonard, including the co-written "Boss of Me" and "I'll Take You There", at the latter's home in Woodstock. The following week-long session took place that September with Leonard, Alford and Heathen bassist Tony Levin". These were followed by..in Sept? Maybe "the reconvened the following...". Also "including the co-written "Boss of Me" and "I'll Take You There"" is too tightly packed, can it be in a separate sentence Ceoil (talk)

• Ceoil Reworded it; also used the source to clear some things up (i.e. not demoes actually recording). – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 02:32, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

• David Bowie underwent angioplasty for a blocked artery in late June 2004, leading to the delay of his final live concert tour, the A Reality Tour. - was it intended as his last tour, or did it become his last tour because of fading health.

• It became his final one – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 14:38, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

• speaking to again speaking with

• Fixed.

• while in London producing Kaiser Chiefs' The Future Is Medieval (2011), - too much detail - while in London...to recorded demo tracks

• Fixed. I even had more there before I simplified it to that! – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 14:40, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

• created on digital recorders and complete with basslines and drum patterns what? All 21st c tracks are like this Ceoil (talk) 04:06, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

  Well in the past Bowie's demos were primarily with live instruments so I per the source I thought it was worth noting. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 14:43, 3 December 2022 (UTC) Ceoil

zmbro, am not finding any substantial issues; good luck with the FAC. I'll give the review a week or two to develop, and comment again then, but as said above it's in very good nick, and this is very nice work! Ceoil (talk) 03:22, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words! I wanna do a couple more things then I'll nominate :-) – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 03:23, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Edit suggestion

Change "highest charting US album to date" to "highest charting US album until 2016's Blackstar, which reached number one". The source for this is Billboard. 174.251.64.65 (talk) 03:08, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done "to date" in this case means 2013, not 2023. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 12:35, 30 August 2023 (UTC)