Talk:Ten German Bombers

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the german remix of the song and the video are free content, it's not commercial. this is blogging-culture DIY punk ethic. by the way: i'd like to have an original stadium recording linked, too...

Firstly, I don't think that a remix made by an unknown artist should be linked. Be it commercial or not commercial - it is not relevant. An unknown artist makes a video on his own and tries to gain publicity by posting it on the internet. I support that in general. However, I don't think that Wikipedia as an encyclopedia should be used as a means of self-promotion or advertisement. Secondly, I find it rather disturbing, to see a music video which contains a burning German flag. This is within the limits of freedom of expression but looks like political propaganda to me. And Wikipedia is not the right place for that aim. Imagine: A music clip featuring bin Laden and glorifying 09/11 available at wikipedia for free download.--Krakowian 11:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

The only citation for this article is now a relatively empty page, so I have commented it. Can somebody find a replacement? Some information on the song’s origin would also be nice to have. —xyzzy_n 10:07, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

So, the "German reaction" and the use of the song by Anti-fa activists is not relevant? OK - delete the link, but this is surely of interest, is it not? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.0.104.227 (talk • contribs) .

If you can demonstrate that the song has received significant press coverage in Germany, then please go ahead and do it. Similarly, references to uses of the song that meet the notability standard belong into the article. However, at least as far as I can tell from brief googling, all German press coverage of the song is in the context of advice by Eriksson et al. to English fans to avoid the song, which is already mentioned in the article, and the video is not seen outside of a handful of blogs, forums etc. —xyzzy_n 17:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

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I don't exactly understand why you removed the information about the song by Egotronic from the article Ten German Bombers </wiki/Ten_German_Bombers>. The information itself is definately relevant and deserves to be included. If what disturbed you is that the source for the statement is from a German-language newspaper, then you should have asked for another source or tried to find one yourself. But removing the statement alltogether wasn't really necessary. But if you'll read what Wikipedia considers a reliable source </wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources> before removing statements based on what sources are cited, you'll read that "foreign-language sources are acceptable in terms of verifiability, subject to the same criteria as English-language sources". That means that the statement and the source can stay. If you could find an English-language source that would of course be better, but until you do that source will have to stay. --Carabinieri </wiki/User:Carabinieri>TTaallkk </wiki/User_talk:Carabinieri> 09:55, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry - I stand corrected. My only other concern is whether anything 'Egotronic' say or do is any more notable than anything the band who practice in my neighbour's garage say or do?

Quotes from leading sportsmen and sports journalists are notable because they are well known public figures speaking about their own realm of interest.

Who exactly are Egotronic? The Grot 15:11, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

RE: Egotronic I've removed the reference to Egotronic because

i) Actions by unknown artists aren't notable.

ii) It seems to be part of a continued campaign to gain publicity and/or canvas opinion, in breach of Wikipedia guidelines.

I've included the Jungle World article in the External Links section so people can get a German perspective on this song. The Grot 08:16, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The band itself isn´t relevant, but this particular song was donwloaded 12,000 times in 4 days just from the website youtube, so this version of the song definately is notable in the context of this article. And please, this not a part of any campaign, I was incorporating the information from this newspaper article into Wikipedia.--Carabinieri^T_T^a_a^l_l^k_k 16:27, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Are they sure they've got the figures right? There are only 5760 minutes in 4 days (4 x 24 x 60), so that's about one download every 30 seconds. George Michael would be proud of a hit-rate like that! The Grot 10:17, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Netzeitung reports 32,000 downloads as of Sunday, 9th of April 2006. [1]. --Janneman 04:11, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

There's something very wrong with this quote: Tony Parsons, writing in The Daily Mirror, has stated: "Less than a lifetime ago the Germans inflicted untold misery on the world. If English football fans choose to deal with that a mere 60 years later by holding their arms out and pretending to be Lancaster bombers, I would suggest that the Germans are getting off quite lightly."

Why on Earth would English supporters pretend to be Lancaster bombers? Spitfires and Hurricanes shot German bombers down, not Lancaster bombers! Bifutake (talk) 16:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

"Elsewhere the answer from German fans at football matches was often the Nazi song Bomben auf Engeland (“Bombs to England")." This sentence is not substantiated at all. I consider that claim highly unlikely, rare occurrences excepted. The Nazi song mentioned is not very well known in the contemporary German public. It would also be considered extremely bad taste even among German football supporters to sing such a song during a sporting event. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.99.180.207 (talk) 13:09, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

this article should be merged with 10 green bottles

https://www.songfacts.com/facts/traditional/ten-green-bottles suggests that the original was 10 green bottles and that this 10 german bombers is a filk of that song. 88.112.31.26 (talk) 14:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Author and copyright

Is there any information on who is the author of the the lyric (or untraceable) and when this is created? Whether this song has been entered into public domain or orphaned status? I believe this information is useful, and promotes the use of this song in a good faith (e.g. as a children song with no reference to football). --Kittyhawk2 (talk) 07:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Children's song

The lede claims that this was originally a children's song. While that's not impossible, I was born in 1955 and grew up in a world of post-WW2 'war comics', and I don't remember it being sung by children. I only became aware of it about 20 years ago when England football fans started singing it as a joking taunt. We need a ref for the 'children' claim. Ef80 (talk) 18:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I have added a reference that it is a variation of "She'll Be Coming 'Round the Mountain", which is also a children's song. --Kittyhawk2 (talk) 14:20, 6 July 2024 (UTC)