Talk:Tatmadaw

Political context

The following has been added and removed from the intro a few times. Is some part of this wrong or particularly POV? I can find other links but this is clearly important context in establishing the history of the Tatmadaw.

Since independence, the Tatmadaw has faced significant ethnic insurgencies, especially in Kachin, Kayin, Kayah, and Shan states. General Ne Win took control of the country in a 1962 coup d'état, attempting to build an autarkic society called the Burmese Way to Socialism. Following the violent repression of nationwide protests in 1988, the military agreed to free elections in 1990, but ignored the resulting victory of the National League for Democracy and threw its leader Aung San Suu Kyi in prison. The 1990s also saw the escalation of the conflict between Buddhists and Rohingya Muslims in Rakhine State due to RSO attacks on Tatmadaw forces.

In 2008 the Tatmadaw again rewrote Myanmar's constitution, installing the pro-junta Union Solidarity and Development Party in 2010 elections boycotted by most opposition groups. Political reforms over the next half-decade culminated in a sweeping NLD victory in the 2015 election, but after the USDP lost another election in 2020, the Tatmadaw annulled the election and deposed the civilian government. The Tatmadaw has been widely accused by international organizations of human rights offenses including ethnic cleansing, torture, sexual assault and massacre of civilians.

A revert compared this to the intro for Federal Bureau of Investigation. While the FBI is an important part of the US federal government, the Tatmadaw has run Myanmar for about 50 of the last 60 years, so I don't think we can discount the context here. Ungulates (talk) 03:36, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey! I saw your good faith edits but: 1. The lead section is one short summary, for someone not inside topic about Myanmar it can be confusing, and can move focus from important things 2. There is note about:

"The Tatmadaw has been engaged in a bitter battle with ethnic insurgents and the narco-armies since the country gained its independence from the United Kingdom in 1948, and has played a central role in Burmese politics since the 1962 coup d'état"( so it says about the most important engagement and also about a central role in politics and since when, and it is linked to corresponding articles).

3. There is one history section 4. The FBI article not enough as example, well check the French Armed Forces, the Bundeswehr or the Russian Armed Forces, for example. 5. There are links to other articles connected about topics, current or historical, what can be linked and lead readers to get more info's. Nubia86 (talk) 11:24, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Here is discussion about your article changes and especially tricky lead change, so if you wanna, focus here, not anywhere other since you open this discussion and I explained you things already. Nubia86 (talk) 15:33, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Military coup

There is no mention whatsoever of the current military coup and the now-established fact that the Tatmadaw have now turned against the people themselves, as evidenced by the more than 100 people shot dead in the streets yesterday March 27. Someone who knows what they're doing needs to get this covered thoroughly on the Burmese military/Tatmadaw Wikipedia page. 2600:1702:21C0:58E0:C1BA:E8F6:34E9:3285 (talk) 19:41, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

There's no political context in this article because Nubia86 has been vigilantly suppressing it. Weird choice, in my opinion. Ungulates (talk) 21:50, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Nubia86 continues to automatically revert all changes to the intro. Could they discuss it here? I guess not! Ungulates (talk) 15:00, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

I note that User:Nubia86 continues to censor the article. Sad stuff. Ungulates (talk) 22:50, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Is 'Tatmadaw' the wrong name?

This author at Global Voices makes a passionate plea [1] to stop using 'Tatmadaw' for the military, as he says it glorifies them with the honorable (literal translation) 'Royal Armed Forces'. I'm not familiar enough to propose a name change re-write for the article, but welcome comments. Onanoff (talk) 15:42, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

I've added "Sit-Tat" as an alternate name to the lead. HappyWith (talk) 17:34, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Follow-up with more detail: While "Sit-Tat" has risen in popularity a lot in the past few years, I don't think it's the WP:COMMONNAME just yet - "Tatmadaw" is still used more. Maybe the article could be moved to Military of Myanmar per WP:NPOVTITLE if "Tatmadaw" is considered to be a non-neutral name glorifying the military? I'm not familiar enough with the topic to say if this satisfies that policy or not, but it could do with more research. HappyWith (talk) 16:06, 22 March 2024 (UTC)