Talk:Tandoor

picture?

Shouldn't this page contain a picture of... oh, i don't know... a clay oven? Added. Geoff (talk) 00:10, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

For Details and differences on Different TANDOORS, visit website http://indiantandoors.com #REDIRECT [[[1]]]

Mony Marwah 71.52.60.228 05:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Somewhat after the above, but I second it; this article is named after the oven, but there's as much or more about the food, and all the pictures in the article are of food, rather than of the oven... --StarChaser Tyger 01:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Added. Geoff (talk) 00:10, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

indiantandoors.com link is broken.

The picture is labelled "clay pots". No indication how this is related to the tandoor. Also the caption "clay pots and assembly" is nonsensical.

Can we get a pic of an actual traditional tandoor? Lexington50 (talk) 09:47, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Meat and Sikhism

Sikhism forbids only the consumption of halal meat, not all meat, and leaves the choice to the individual Sikh.

Really? Why should Sikhs not eat halal meat? Groogle 05:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, Muslim & Sikh butchers would use different prayers at the time of execution. Aside from that, from what I understand, for halal the animal's neck is slit or smaller animals are decapitated, and the carcass is hung inverted so that all blood can leave the body without clotting. Only then is the animal dressed. Most Sikhs I know prefer a different method which involves breaking the animal's neck as the COD. I think it's called the "Jerk Method", or something to that effect. No idea how they break a cow's neck. --LuciferBlack 03:52, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

from wat i noe eating meat is a controversial issue in Sikhism, as far as i noe, eating meat for those who do,the animal is killed with a slash of a sword so the animal dies painlessly, while in islam the animal is drained of the blood from the throat intill the animal dies while the muslim says a chantMandeep 619 (talk) 06:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Traditionally quite hot?

According to the current text, "The chicken is marinated in a yogurt seasoned with garam masala - garlic, ginger, cumin, cayenne pepper, and other spices depending on the recipe. It is traditionally quite hot."

I have a couple of problems with this: firstly it suggests that garam masala contains the other ingredients, which it most certainly does not. Secondly, Northern Indian food is normally not hot, and I don't know any tanduri recipe that I would conside authentic that is also hot (i.e. peppery). I'd suggest changing this unless somebody can come up with convincing proof of the claim. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Groogle (talk • contribs) 05:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

Oldest example

"The oldest example of a tandoor was found in the Harappa and Mohenjo Daro settlements of the ancient Indus Valley Civilization" - cool, but.. when was that? 10k years ago? 5k? 1k? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.81.253.163 (talk • contribs) 02:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I've made Harappa and Mohenjo Daro into links so that someone could more easily satisfy their curiosity. Shenme 03:54, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

What this article needs

Okay, first, more references. I'm trying to add some construction information, though beyond that a little more information such things as fuel efficiency and the like are called for, as well as more pictures of tandoors and less food. The recipes are all well and good but sort of miss the point, IMHO. Haikupoet (talk) 01:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

===um on the top of the page it says the tandoor was introduced by the moguls(lol and its spelt wrong) and then the bottom that originated in the sub-continent, i think it is the second with somelater influence but anyway somebody should get thier facts right and fix it,wether it was the first or the secondMandeep 619 (talk) 06:29, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The scheme of the furnace from Russian article

It is possible to insert? Or it is not necessary? --Paradoximus (talk) 14:32, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice try guys but you're on the wrong tracks. The Tandur is Afghan version of Turkic Tandar and came to South Asia with the rest of their culture including dress i.e. shalwar Kameez, cuisine and language e.g. Urdu, Hindustani and Bollywood Hindi etc. Even the word Hindu is of Perso-Arabic origin. The Roma did not take anything Westwards except themselves and and their wandering ways - as nomads tandurs are hard to carry around. Whether the Sikhs are vegetarian or not is irrelevant to the debate here. They are a recent phenomenon whose beliefs system itself is a set borrowing from Islam and Muslim culture albeit without acknowledgement: turban, architecture, montheism,Sufic spirituality and terminology (Rab, Sardar) etc. are all evidence of this. They are not a separate civilisation but a newer fusion of Muslim/Hindu concepts. This also reflects the Indian reluctance to acknowledge Islamic/Muslim influence to their present social and cultural domains. As a society their intelligentia seem to want to 'own' everything. This points to a collective psychopathology resulting from a search for identity given over two millenia of invasions from the Western borders -

In reality the so-called Indian cuisine is not sub-continental but an integration of Central Asian Turkic, Turco-Perso-Afghan and Arab cuisines - this quite clear from the fact that the food under discussion has terminology from Tukish, Farsi, Arabic and also Pashto languages. Secondly, the 'Mughlai' cuisine is north Indian i.e. Hindustani (Muslim) and is not dominant in the real native Indian i.e. Dravidian areas in the south or east of the country. The cultural domination of South Asia in terms of language, dress and cuisine has been complete. Modern Hindi is Urdu written in Devanagri and reflecting this reality is another example of reconstruction of history to project superiority of all things Bharati as a reaction stemming from inferiority complex. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Montizooma (talk • contribs) 11:23, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Why is this article under India Watch as the Tandoor origin region (NWFP & NW Punjab) is in Pakistan not in India? The notion of Tandoori cuisine was brought to the UK by Pakistani curry houses - it did not exist among Indian restaurants before that. Tandoor is a Pashtu/Hindko version of Tandar of Turkic origin. The many Indians in this country probably heard of this term/cuisine for the first time here not in India. Reconstructing history and revisionism will not change facts of history. Mughlai cuisine is most related tro this due to it also having been developed in Muslim communities from the Turkic, Persian, Afghan and Arabic origin. If the vandal who delets my contribution has nothing to counter my argument then he/she must stop vandalising. He is proving my point above about identity confusion and rejecting truth.

Last time I checked it was the conquered Indians i.e the Muslims of India who lie about their heritage and claim arab or some other nonsense origin. In South Asia there exists a stratum of people who exhibit an identity crisis but I can ensure you that its not those who you have accused. 174.1.80.242 (talk) 00:16, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Kandu

I don't think that the Sanskrit word Kandu is related to the word Tandur here...—ШαмıQ✍ @ 19:00, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello. Whatever our personal opinions may be, there is a reference for it. What's more the body had mentioned sanskrit--that was not even my edit. The article itself notes how assorted tandoors have been found on the subcontinent dating back several thousand years, so it is a viable theory that we have to respect.

Devanampriya (talk) 00:36, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Tandoor Etymology

In 2008 & 2009 errors in the article had been pointed out that have not yet be edited. Under "History" it points out that the word Tandoor originates from the Akkadian word Tinuru yet oddly it states "As such" the word may not be of Semitic or Iranian origin. The phrase "as such" is a phrase of reflection regarding what had been previously stated. As if to say "because" it is of Akkadian origin it is not of a Semitic or Iranian language. The error is simple. The now defunct reference site must have given the impression that Akkadians were not Semitic. Wikipedia states that Akkadian "is an extinct Semitic language" while it also states that the "The Akkadian Empire was an ancient Semitic empire" Mazighe (talk) 01:47, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

The article says that the Tandoor "may not be Semitic or Iranian in origin" even though it cites Avestan and Pahlavi as possible progenitors of the word, both of which are languages in the Indo-Iranian language family. KaraiBorinquen (talk) 03:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed...also, Akkadian is a semitic language as well. If there was an elamite word for it then maybe the non-semitic/iranic origin has credence. The tandoor in the form as it is known now probably arrived in the subcontinent with islamic invaders. --Sakredfire (talk) 15:33, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I think the origin of Tanure is come from word of Tanooreh in ancient persian. In ancient persian tanooreh was the situtation when Div(monster) would open their mouth and heat/fire would come up, like fire from dragon mouth in chineese myth. Also the mid day of hot summer sun compare to tanooreh too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.67.253.85 (talk) 21:15, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Any good, reliable sources yet to close a discussion (here) based on personal opinions, no matter how interesting they are? Right now, the article section is a chain of bits & peaces collected from sources with variable reliability (Wiktionary?!) and stringed together in an adventurous manner. It's obvious that the d in the middle is wide-spread in the Persianate world, but the original Persian world quoted there doesn't have it, so that it remains unclear where and when it was added. The etymology can and must be connected to the technical evolution and differences, as technologies and their names usually travel together. Arminden (talk) 13:43, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Sumerian "duruna"

The etymology given (Akkadian tin "mud" and nuro/nura "fire") is likely folk etymology, since already in Sumerian the word was known as duruna. See [2] the Sumerian word duruna or English oven. --Ferhengvan (talk) 20:35, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

History: where from?

Confusing: according to the etymology section, the Persian word tanur is derived from the Akkadian, and from there on it was the origin of the respective term sin all other languages. Might imply that the technical concept was also passed on from Persia to everyone else, but was it? What about the Arabs and their tannur? As I have written above at "Tandoor Etymology", the origin and local variant of the term is normally connected to the technical evolution and "cultural wanderings & borrowings" between civilisations, as technologies and their name ususually travel together. Arminden (talk) 00:16, 19 December 2021 (UTC)