Talk:Talmadge L. Heflin

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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- KenWalker | Talk 07:41, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion

I object to proposed deletion. To my knowledge ALL state legislators qualify for Wikipedia. Mr. Heflin served 22 years in the Texas House. I will try to find in-line references. Billy Hathorn (talk) 18:38, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

So far, every reference added is either a primary source (the election results) or the web page of a foundation with which Mr. Talmadge Heflin is affiliated. None are sufficient to back a Wikipedia article. You need articles from newspapers or periodical, or books he's covered in. NOT books he's written. I'm not trying to jerk your chain. If he's covered in sufficient "reliable sources" as that term is defined here, I'll take the PROD down myself. But nothing added so far comes close.

If you've got a policy to cite for the proposition that all state legislators qualify for Wikipedia, similarly, I'll take down the PROD nomination myself. Good luck.

Just so you know, I am actively looking for reliable sources myself. I think it's my obligation before I put up a PROD tag and afterwards as well. But I'm coming up dry. David in DC (talk) 20:16, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

There's literally nothing if you put his name into google's news search. Here's what I found on google's web search:

Wholly negative which means it can't be used without violating WP:BLP. Plus, while the Austin Statesman-American is surely a WP:RS, I'm not sure it's collaboration with Politifact is. It looks as if Politifact is the entity exercising editorial control.

Wholly negative. Plus, Burnt Orange Report is hardly a reliable source.

A New York Times opinion piece by Heflin. NYT is a reliable source, but not an opinion piece written by the subject. Maybe one could use the cutline describing him for the time in the legislature and his current position, but that's pretty weak. Opinion piece authors usually get to write them themselves.

Here's a blog piece from a reliable newspaper. Again, like the cutline from the NYT essay, it might scrape by, but WP:GNG requires significant coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources. So, assuming we insert them, we're still not over the hurdle.

Negative blog piece from a reliable periodical. I hope you're starting to see the problem here. There are seven days to beef up the article, so this isn't red-hot three-alarm urgent, but rescuing this article is definitely an uphill climb. David in DC (talk) 20:36, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Improvements to the article are welcome, but he is notable under WP:POLITICIAN #1. He spent 22 years in the legislature, was chair of the Appropriations Committee, and was described as "one of the most powerful Republicans in the Legislature" [1]; I don't see this as even a close call. --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:17, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Further to the above: Google News search doesn't search archives anymore, and is now largely useless for Wikipedia notability searches. However, the Google search <"Talmadge Heflin"> yields 79 news stories when limited to site:news.google.com, and 158 matches at HighBeam Research [2]. And there are additional hits at Google Books as well. --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:31, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Did you read past #1. I ask because WP:POLITICIAN #3 says:

3.Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article".

WP:GNG still applies. Please add some of the significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. The rationale for deleting the PROD is dubious, but the rules are clear, it cannot be re-added. It does make the article ripe for an AfD nomination. David in DC (talk) 13:43, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I've filed the AfD Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Talmadge_L._Heflin. Please join the conversation. David in DC (talk) 14:08, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

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