Talk:Talal of Jordan

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I think the Jordanian secret service wrote this article. (Unsigned comment by anon).

I wouldn't go that far, but there is definitely a lot of information left out. There needs to be more information about his mental illness, which I can find only vague information about on the Internet. Academic Challenger 07:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

As a Arabian, I think that he was a great leader of Jordan. He had so man y things he had done with his life and married a beautiful lady-the queen-or atleast i belive she was- of Jordan-

Talal A. (not the king) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.63.135.162 (talk) 15:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. Orlady (talk) 15:16, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

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Talal of Jordan → Talal, King of Jordan — There seems to be recent concensus to avoid the "[Name] of [Country]" formulation for monarchs without numerals. See John, King of England and Anne, Queen of Great Britain, for example. I don't see why these Jordanian and Saudi kings should be any different. The Celestial City (talk) 17:34, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

• Hussein of Jordan → Hussein, King of Jordan
• Ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia → Ibn Saud, King of Saudi Arabia
• Saud of Saudi Arabia → Saud, King of Saudi Arabia
• Faisal of Saudi Arabia → Faisal, King of Saudi Arabia
• Khalid of Saudi Arabia → Khalid, King of Saudi Arabia
• Fahd of Saudi Arabia → Fahd, King of Saudi Arabia
• Abdullah of Saudi Arabia → Abdullah, King of Saudi Arabia

Support, as these monarchs have no regnal number. GoodDay (talk) 20:38, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Oppose. I'm not in favor of a systematic change without formulating an actual policy. Such a discussion should be taken to a wider audience, and not in the Talk page where most people won't see it. Beetle B. (talk) 05:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Beetle B. You have a good point, so I've placed notices on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Saudi Arabia and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jordan to hopefully increase the number of involved Wikipedians. The Celestial City (talk) 20:29, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

• Support, this systematic change has already been agreed on and is recorded at WP:NCROY, so even the wikilawyers shouldn't object to it.--Kotniski (talk) 09:32, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose this discussion does not even belong in an article talk that does not attract a wider audience. And another valid problem with this action is that Saudi and Jordanian rulers were not always under the title "King". For example, Saudi rulers of the Second Saudi State were Imams. Not only that, but the present Saudi ruler does not go under the title "King". He is referred to as "Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques". So not only will the move be disruptive to the elaborate progress that has been made in the past few months on the Saudi pages, it will cause unnecessary controversies and endless user clashes. Stick to the original format. Not everything that works for Western royalties can be applied to Oriental royalties. Mni9791 (talk) 04:21, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I think your information is incorrect. The Saudi title Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, adopted in 1986, replaces "His Majesty", not the title of king. Thus the present Saudi king is known as "King Abdullah bin Abdul-Aziz, Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques". I am reasonably certain that all the monarchs included in this move request were titled "king"; I specifically only included 19C monarchs who explicitly used the title as part of westernisation. The Celestial City (talk) 15:43, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:NCROY is specifically about the Western royalty from the Middle Ages and on. ^walk victor falk ^talk 17:12, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

That doesn't seem to be the case. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility) clearly states "There is no explicit convention for Middle Eastern countries; but contemporary monarchs with Arabic names are often treated much as this guideline would suggest". I looked this up before starting the move request. The Celestial City (talk) 15:43, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

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Iraq

Why he did not declare himself king of Iraq in 1958? --95.24.66.223 (talk) 12:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)