Talk:Tal-al ward

Tal-al ward

The only sources that say this village even exist that i could find is from the clashes in the village recently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vallee01 (talk • contribs) 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I agree; there are additional news sources about recent fighting at this location, but it seems to have never been noticed previously. If the article's creator is reading this, much more information is needed about this location's history, notable events, etc. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 21:03, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Nominated for Deletion under Criteria A7

I have nominated this page for speedy deletion under criteria A7. Reasons:

• Notability is clearly not established.
• The one source used in the article is questionable and does not refer to a "village" but rather to "the Tal al-Ward area in the south of the city of Ras al-Ayn", which indicates this "village" may not actually exist.

Leaving this note here on the reasoning, just in case. IHateAccounts (talk) 02:46, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

IHateAccounts This village has been stated by the SOHR. Des Vallee (talk) 03:08, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This article has already been reviewed by an admin, it is a small village worthy of inclusion. It seems IHateAccounts saw the discussion on Ben Shapiro Show and me bringing up this example of notability, because you can't deny that show is more notable then this village he now tags a speedy deletion. This doesn't prove your point, are you going to delete every example of a small village, this is just as good as an example Błenna B for notability, it also has one citation. --Des Vallee (talk) 03:03, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

@Des Vallee:, I saw the link and looked at the page. As I note above, the source linked on the page only has a reference to "the Tal al-Ward area in the south of the city of Ras al-Ayn". It appears to not be an existing village. IHateAccounts (talk) 03:12, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

IHateAccounts You could easily search to go and find this clearly meets notability guidelines. Yes this village exists. Des Vallee (talk) 03:13, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

If it does, you should have no problem finding sources that actually support the claim, and providing the links here. IHateAccounts (talk) 03:14, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

@IHateAccounts: Word for wiser don't slap a speedy deletion tag when this article has been reviewed, if you are at least do a quick search. I know you are new to Wikipedia but still. Official SAA Media: https://sana.sy/en/?p=177203. SDF Media: https://hawarnews.com/en/haber/mercenaries-attack-northern-countryside-of-tal-tamr-h12929.html, SOHR (Considered the most reliable source for Syria project) https://www.syriahr.com/en/145907/. For being a "non-existent" village there does sure seem to be a large amount of sources for it. Des Vallee (talk) 03:18, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Let's see. You named this article "Tal-al ward".

1. The only source a few minutes ago, from Xinhua, referred to "the Tal al-Ward area in the south of the city of Ras al-Ayn".
2. "sana.sy" link is throwing a warning from Google Chrome that it may be a hijacked page.
3. "Hawarnews" link says "the village of Tal al-Ward in Tel-Tamr district."
4. "Syriahr" link says "the Turkish Forces and their loyal factions shell Tal al-Ward village in Abu Rasin (Zarkan) township"

So here's my question: Which is it? WHERE, exactly, is it? Which, of the THREE different descriptions you just linked (none of which match the name you listed on this article), is it? IHateAccounts (talk) 03:31, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

IHateAccounts This isn't viable for speedy deletion the article was already reviewed by Doom Slayer, so putting a speedy deletion tag isn't going to do anything. You posted a speedy deletion tag because after my position on deletion for Ben Shapiro Show something which clearly reaches notability. If you want to get into how the article should be improved that's a different story. However it clearly is a notable village which has enough sources to write an article.

You aren't understanding the point good chum, the location of the village is irrelevant towards speedy deletion, you initially stated this village is "non-existent" after that was proven wrong you are now changing the subject to where it is.

If you read the sources you clearly would have seen it is a village in northern Syria. As the creator of the article I can't remove the tag but I assure this tag will get removed as it isn't suitable for speedy deletion. Putting a speedy deletion tag on an article that has been reviewed and attempting to now change the subject to were exactly the Village is located is irrelevant, the point is it is a village located in northern syria. This is what is called improper use of a speedy deletion tag. Moreover all citations are describing the exact same village. It is both in Tel-Tamr district and west of Ras al-ayn, just like New York City is in New York state and south of Pennsylvania. None of the sources contradict themselves, if you know about Syrian geography. Des Vallee (talk) 03:55, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't see any record in the page history of a "reviewed by Doom Slayer". As for assuming I didn't read the sources? I DID read the "sources" and they're contradictory and do not seem to indicate an actual notable, locate-able village. IHateAccounts (talk) 03:59, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Reviewed

TheAwesomeHwyh reviewed the page, as seen here. Reviewing doesn't cause a new message to appear, it never has. I was mistaken it was reviewed by TheAwsomeHwyh, an unknown location isn't something that can be used to try to delete an article. You should view notability standards for places, as this is improper use of a speedy tag. Irregardless I recommend you learn when to use these tags. As previously you stated the village was "non-existent" now to being non locatable something which isn't true as we can pinpoint its location (although not exact) using the sources. Even if it was being non-locatable is not a justification for speedy deletion. As for your statements what about the sources is contradictory? Des Vallee (talk) 04:24, 2 January 2021 (UTC)