Talk:Tết

Title looks weird

The title appears to have been rendered incorrectly -- КОМУНИСТ -------Δ 01:43, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Winter vs Spring

Tet is THE Spring holiday in Vietnamese culture, marking the start of Spring. I'm aware that it occurs during winter, but it is the symbolic beginning of Spring and is inextricably associated with it. Calling it a winter holiday might be a bit misleading. DHN 16:57, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Could someone put in an IPA transcription? Hearing the pronunciation is insufficient because non-native speakers will mishear the tones, vowels and consonants. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.227.133.212 (talk) 00:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

We need to use Image:304px-Mai.jpg in here somewhere. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 07:57, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

You're not the only one who missed it. If you can find an appropriate place to put it, please do. DHN 01:50, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Is it sure that Vietnamese follow Calendar differences described in this article? Other resources in web seem to indicate that they just follow Chinese Lunar Calendar. E.g. New Year would be on 18th Feb 2007 (like Chinese New Year), not 17th Feb 2007 (indicated in Wikipedia article) rec.travel.asia, Information of Vietnamese New Year 2007

Note that the Tet will fall on the same day as the Chinese New Year on most years, but will occasionally fall on a different day (usually one day or one month difference). See the first reference in the article for a detailed discussion about the reason. The pages you cited are hardly authorative, they are probably unaware of the calendar difference and used a Chinese calendar lookup tool. The calendar difference had only occurred twice before (since being adopted in 1967) and each time causing a great deal of confusion (especially during the Tet Offensive in 1968, when the North had adopted the system but the South had not; communist fighters didn't know which date to attack and some attacked prematurely). You might want to drop them a note so that they don't badly mess up their plans for Tet. DHN 14:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Tet Offensive mentioning

I question the sentence "Nowadays, the term "Tet" in English often refers to the bloody Tết Offensive, which occurred during Tết in 1968." in the intro paragraph. I think that's over-generalizing this without proper citation or background. There are quite a lot of Tet-related articles in English, and most of the non-Vietnamese people I talk to don't necessarily associate Tet with the Tet Offensive. Minh T. Nguyen 05:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Face it, the only reason that the word "Tet" is known in English is because of the Tet Offensive. If it didn't occur, it would still be known as "Chinese New Year". Actually, that's the case right now in France...I heard that it used to be known as Tet because of the large Vietnamese presence there, but with the Chinese gaining in influence, it's gradually converted to "Nouvel An chinois"...DHN 06:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I kinda feel like you’re both right… The Tet Offensive isn’t necessarily the first thing that comes into Americans’ minds when they hear “Tet,” but I don’t think most non-Vietnamese would know what Tết is, either, unless they’re familiar with the background of the Tet Offensive. I sort of was vaguely aware that the Vietnamese celebrated Lunar New Year, and I’d heard of the Tet Offensive, but I didn’t know the word Tết until this year. (I don’t even know how I learned it; probably just googling.) I woulda just said “Vietnamese New Year” (by analogy with “Chinese New Year”)—after all, we don’t say “Spring Festival,” right? There weren’t few Vietnamese where I grew up, but it wasn’t a big deal in the wider community, like how there’s visibility and televised Chinese New Year’s parades and everything.

Nevertheless, if people associate it, you know, they do or they don’t. I don’t know that that’s necessary in the intro. — Like Brigitte Bardot 09:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Note that, this article talks about the festival, not about the offensive, saying "the term "Tet" in English often refers to the bloody Tết Offensive" is POV!, AFAIK, this is not the case of people around me. Or we can create another article named Vietnamese New Year Festival. Vinataba (talk) 00:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Do people around you speak English? DHN (talk) 17:04, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

One day difference with Chinese New Year?

My Vietnamese wife says that her country celebrates the New Year one day before the Chinese do. This has been the case since the brief China-Vietnam war in 1976. Any information on this?Jlujan69 02:32, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

This is already covered in the article. See Tết#Calendar differences. DHN 05:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

most of the time it falls on the same day. only very rarely does it not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Breaistwrote (talk • contribs) 22:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

The 3-Reverts Rule WP:3RR has been triggered. An anonymous user and I have been disagreeing to which calendar Tet is tied to; I am of the position that Tet is based on the Vietnamese calendar (which itself is based on the Chinese calendar); the anonymous user is of the view that Tet is based on the Chinese calendar. I tried to compromise by saying "Vietnamese variation of the Chinese calendar". The reason I make the distinction is because there has been a history of temporal difference between when Tet was celebrated and when Chinese New Year was celebrated. yellowtailshark (talk) 19:26, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Comparison with e.g. Korea

If you compare Vietnamese New Year to Korean New Year, they both share a lot e.g. calendar wise. Yet only Vietnamese version emphasizes the Chinese history in every turn. For example, phrase "variation of Chinese New Year" is only used in the page related to Vietnam even if the statement is valid for both Korean New Year and Vietnamese. This happens also on many other pages related to Vietnam. To me, a lot of the Wikipedia pages related to Vietnam read like they were edited by bunch of trolls. Kajala (talk) 07:56, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Do / Do not

This section needs some work, especially with spelling/grammar. I would change it myself, but I don't know what the original author meant by some of the statements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ippyy (talk • contribs) 04:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I've removed this line: "One should come back home before New Year's Eve if you don't want to be in difficult working." for precisely that reason. If anyone knows what this means, please feel free to revise it. -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 05:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Plants and flowers

I've noticed that a number of flowers have been left in Vietnamese. For example:

• Hoa ban. According to Vdict ([1]), ban is paulownia. Is this correct?
• Hoa cúc. According to Vdict, cúc is chrysanthemum. Is this correct? A thread at www.englishtime.us/forum ([2]) gives daisy, too.

Both are true.Nguyenthienhaian (talk) 09:31, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

• Vạn thọ. According to Vdict, vạn thọ is marigold. Is this correct? Unfortunately, "marigold" may refer to several species in English, including Calendula (marigold or pot marigold), Tagetes (Mexican marigold, African marigold or French marigold), and Glebionis segetum (syn. Chrysanthemum segetum; corn marigold). The thread at www.englishtime.us/forum specifically gives Tagetes paluta L for vạn thọ.
• Mào gà. According to the thread at www.englishtime.us/forum, this is Celosia cristata or "cockscomb". Is this correct?
• Hoa bướm. According to Vdict and the thread at www.englishtime.us/forum, hoa bướm is pansy. Is this correct?
• Thủy tiên. This appears to be equivalent to Chinese 水仙, which is in turn equivalent to flowers of the genus narcissus (including daffodils). This is the translation given at the thread at www.englishtime.us/forum. I am wondering whether the term "paperwhite" is the correct one to use here, since this refers in English to one very specific species, namely Narcissus papyraceus, which is a "perennial bulbous plant native to the Mediterranean region".
• Viôlét. Here this is translated as lavender. I have no way of checking if this is correct, but on the thread at www.englishtime.us/forum it is translated as "violet". However, this may be a quite literal translation, based on the superficial equation of hoa violet = "violet", not taking into account the actual identity of the flower.

It is true.Nguyenthienhaian (talk) 09:31, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Could someone check up on these flower names? Bathrobe (talk) 03:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Translation of Tet Nguyen Dan

Doesn't make sense the way it is now. Should be "lunar new year". Transliteration is more like festival of the first dawn. I believe the "of" is a typo, should be "or", but the transliteration is quite different than how one would translate the phrase. Both could be provided. The misinformed-or rather mistyped- transliteration is rampantly viral as its proper translation and i think it deserves to be resolved. Also the sole ref provided for this entire article is outdated and doesnt point to any information about Tet. Discussions?Benitoite (talk) 16:03, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 10 February 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus not to move the pages to the proposed titles at this time and no consensus to move this page to Vietnamese New Year, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 04:24, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

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• Tết → Tet
• Tet → Tet (disambiguation)

– Pages in English should prioritize the use of the English language. Using a title written in Vietnamese script places an undue burden on the Wikipedia reader and writer when the consensus of the existing English language sources is to refer to the holiday as "Tet Festival". 70.122.19.97 (talk) 09:31, 10 February 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 09:54, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

• Support, per Merriam-Webster, American Heritage, and Collins. That's two American dictionaries and one British dictionary. What better authority on spelling is there than a dictionary? See MOS:ROMANIZATION. FineStructure137 (talk) 10:53, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose, per the many other language styles which are represented in Wikipedia titles. As long as a redirect exists there should be no problem in stylizing the original correct form. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:40, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
  • See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXIST. I think the idea is that Wikipedia should look like something that was published professionally. Any style guide, including Wikipedia's MOS, will tell you to follow the spelling given in the dictionaries. FineStructure137 (talk) 02:38, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
• Tet is a disambiguation page, that would also have to be moved so I've added it to the request. Is this the primary topic? Peter James (talk) 13:51, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Here is a pageview analysis. There is no other subject that comes close in terms of page views. If you look at the dictionaries I linked to above, "lunar New Year as celebrated in Vietnam" is the only definition notable enough to be listed. FineStructure137 (talk) 02:25, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
• Move to Vietnamese New Year, as consistent with other Asian New Year celebrations. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 17:37, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Too many other meanings of "Tet" to deem this primary without evidence of primacy. bd2412 T 17:22, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
• Move to Vietnamese New Year per WP:USEENGLISH Rreagan007 (talk) 04:43, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, i.e. there isn't one; Tet Offensive, shorthand "Tet", is too much competition. Also oppose a move to Vietnamese New Year without evidence of it being the most common name. —  AjaxSmack  03:05, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose: WP does not censor diacritics; our approach is to apply a diacritic if reliable sources tell us it belongs there and it occurs in that form at least sometimes in English publications. WP doesn't care how lazy about diacritics other publications are. We drop a diacritic for individuals and organizations whose names do not use them, when it can be proven that the owner of that name prefers and consistently uses the diacritic-free spelling (e.g. Stana Katic). Moving on, "Vietnamese New Year" isn't the common name. Other things named "Tet" (with or without a diacritic, in whatever language) will be covered at Tet, AKA Tet (disambiguation). Seriously, abosolutely nothing is broken here, and none of it needs "fixing".  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:18, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

• "Censor" a diacritic? WTF? WP:ROMANIZATION says we should "follow the general usage in reliable sources that are written in the English language (including other encyclopedias and reference works)." If you search for "Tết" on Gbooks, almost every result is a Vietnamese language book. Compare that that "Tet Vietnam -Tết", which yields 30 pages (10 results a page) of English-language books about Vietnam. If you look at the Chicago Manual of Style, they recommend various dictionaries for this purpose, notably Merriam-Webster. See The Encyclopedia of the Vietnam War and OneLook. FineStructure137 (talk) 05:11, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

• Comment. I'm not sure how it is for other people, but the diacritics don't seem to display correctly for me in the article title and section headings. I see what looks like an e with a circumflex and a prime after. In normal running text it looks (I assume) correct, both marks directly above the e. I'm not sure if this affects things at all, but I suspect that other people see the same. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 16:11, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
• Relisting note: please could those who !voted oppose before the alternative proposal which two users have !voted support please provide their input on the alternative proposal? Many thanks, SITH (talk) 09:54, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose single-edit ISP, almost certain to be a well-known previous community blocked user. In ictu oculi (talk) 18:18, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose not the primary topic without the diacritic; I think this name is more common than "Vietnamese New Year". power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:36, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

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TeTa,dw,mw

Vadyb Tet — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4052:4D90:D79:6776:E2E:C4FC:E538 (talk) 16:14, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Mèo or Mẹo

I’m learning Vietnamese and from what I can gather, the year of the Cat should be Mèo, not Mẹo, is this a mistake? Oogalee Boogalee (talk) 13:18, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Con mèo is the correct word for cat. But when we refer to the zodiac, it would be tuổi Mão. Tuổi mèo would be also correct, but Mão is used more. Mẹo is a rare synonym of Mão.

Mão and Mẹo are derived from the Chinese system of Earthly Branches. You can see the Sino-Vietnamese pronunciations of the zodiacs there. Lachy70 (talk) 16:36, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I think the table of dates is munged

Could somebody check the big table Dates in the Vietnamese Calendar. Some of the dates in recent years are definitely incorrect. I suspect the whole table was generally munged. I reverted an IP editor who was vandalizing lunar calendar dates, but I'm petty sure the restored values are quite wrong. -- M.boli (talk) 22:20, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

@M.boli

The whole table is indeed incorrect, for now I have fixed the fourth and fifth columns of the table. I might go back to fix the rest when I have time to. Lachy70 (talk) 00:04, 2 July 2023 (UTC)